old notes from: http://pad.p2pu.org/community
31 March 2011
Agenda
- Public messaging / documentation around transition from "courses" to "learning projects" etc.
- Converting people to peer learners
- What pages / resources do we point people to?
- Update on January cycle survey
- Platform requirements / specs
- Orientation feedback
Attendees
Matt
Bekka
Philipp
Alison
Erin
Notes
- Hewlett grantees meeting went well. Time for P2PU to transition into an organization with strong use and growth, rather than still in vision mode.
- Messaging/documentation around transition from courses to learning projects" - how is P2PU telling this story - are there links to blog posts/documentation etc?
- At the moment the site is very much a prototype, it will be the default site by June but the plan was to let current organisers experiment.
- Matt: sometimes a blog post just explaining the new changes and why we've made them, early adopters are free to try it out but goal is to make it open to all later (July) is a way to say "this is a work in progress, not done and we're experimenting".
- Erin: At the moment it's so early and we're playing around with language and terminology and people are getting confused. We need to play up the fact that we're reacting to the needs of people but not be super-definitive
- TASK: Bekka to start drafting some boilerplate text to use as a guideline - it can get confusing sometimes between those who speak about P2PU and those who speak on P2PU's behalf.
- Terminology: discussion needs to be had around what our approach is for terminology - can users define their roles - "course" vs "study group" vs "organiser" vs "teacher" - how to match responsibilities and roles and terminology.
- TASK (Alison): An active discussion probably needs to take place - a call will probably be most useful to generate a useful prototype idea to then launch a conversation with the community.
- Converting people to Peer learners - how do we explain to people that they can be peer learners who can learn from each other without needing a "teacher" to guide them through a "course"
- Erin: this is the ultimate goal - that we point people towards learning spaces and enable them.
- new task-based approach will probably help make this happen
- At the moment this is very overwhelming for newcomers, particualry in Webcraft
- The new platform will help explain this through process, rather than one indoctrinating document that says "this is how it is to be"
- The fact that a task/group can be in prototype can also help with this.
Survey
- Is pretty much ready to go, to be sent out on Monday if everyone is happy.
- Philipp and Stian have pushed it out in the past, so Ali will speak with them.
- There is a draft of the questions on LimeQuery - public
- default read-only survey account for now: http://p2puniversity.limequery.com/admin/admin.php User: public Password: publicpublic
- Bekka to draft announcement about this to blog/tweet/email
Platform Requirements / Specs
- Where can people see scope documentation/spec requests?
- All over the place! 3 tiers of engagement
- Matt: it would be good to surface this kind of information in several places, several times.
- Alison: Task: Bekka Craft blog post v2 about how to "work it"
- Orientation
- Orientation in the past has been very structured - and has all been about courses and how to be a good facilitator - this is about to become irrelevant so it's hard to give the right kind of advice on what to do -
- Still need active support and discussion space with enthusiastic, experienced people.
- Only about 10 new organisers and about 8 out of 10 are aware of the changes and enthusiastic about them. Taken an independent decision to experiment on new site and use old site as well.
- ALi feels weird, but not bad, so we will watch the puberty of the orientation with interest and care, and see how it grows into it's adulthood
- It would be awesome to involve previous organisers/facilitators to speak to people in the orientation and explain why things are being changed and how these will be done/manifest. - Ali will send an email
30 March 2011 - Pippa and Dan Diebolt
- consistent story since joining p2pu
- presentation
- thrall of people - spinning around doing their own thing / not clear what they're working on.
- overwhelming issue, engaging with people's suggestions (feels like it lands on dead ears)
- miguel - not just a q. but foundational technology
- dozens of people - privately or on the list
- http://blogs.p2pu.org/
- http://blogs.p2pu.org/blog/2011/03/29/a-new-website-for-p2pu/
- Platform does not have enough features to support technical courses - try creating courses that will create workproduct that can be used in platform (documentations, bogs, code) and develop skills for more platofrm and community contributors (learn tickeitng system, soruce coude management system etc).
- Study Group Suggestions to help build up community involvmenet, engangement, buy in, produce workproduct for P2PU
- atrictic promotioinal item - eg animation, marketing materials
- Wiki Contributions - topics, best practices, compilations, wiki gardening
- Using Source code Systems
- corses related to new technologies -
- activity streams,
- subpub (spelling))
- house blogger / new letter for P2PU
- wireframing
- mocking up with HTML and CSS
- technical documentation and technical writing
- (writing help information for lernanta)***
- screencasting ***
- HTML5 video - P2PU promotional video / Get Involved info****
- using the ticketing system ****
- how to write useful bug reports
- how to write useful feature requests
- http://new.p2pu.org/en-US/suggsgested/
- Like to see P2PU Weekly Updates shared as blogposts ****
- About Personal Learning Environment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_personal_learning_environments
- organising tasks and their responses so that they can be easily worked through (> 20 responses can be very overwhelming)
- enabling peer response to shared tasks "Thanks for uploading your response, 3 other people are awaiting feedback for their answer, would you be able to respond?"
- How can we best recommend Webcraft users use tools such as http://jsfiddle.net/ ?
28 March 2001
Schools update for new.p2pu.org
Attendees:
http://new.p2pu.org/en-US/
http://p2pu.lighthouseapp.com/projects/71002-lernanta/milestones
http://p2pu.lighthouseapp.com/projects/71002/tickets/41-prepare-wireframes#ticket-41-5
Big changes in language
courses-->study groups
study groups function through tasks
School wireframe (https://cacoo.com/diagrams/Ly2n5wiuzwpU2uMq)
• Give school leaders an editable field for updates, images, etc. Is that the description box? Might want to consider a description/tagline that they can edit but stays relatively static and then also have a box they can use for regular updates, promotions, etc.
• Need wall to demonstrate activity, let people comment, etc.
• Need a way for folks to follow the school
Conversations to be had:
- Tagging study groups under schools
- Tagging tasks under topics
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24 March 2011
Agenda
- 30 second Report backs
- new.p2pu.org Toronto + SF updates
- nomenclature/terminology of roles - clarification needed?
- surveying organizers + participants - next week
- updated - changing course names or make that free-text?
- how is lighthouse and do you recommend that we all start using it?
Attendees
- Alison
- Bekka
- Pippa
- Zuzel
- Philipp (joined late)
Notes
Report backs:
Pippa:
- Jet-lagged and back in Europe!
- Working on the survey,
- last minute encouragement for courses from webcraft people,
- updating orientation schedule
- Let me know if I need to do anything that I've forgot!
Zuzel:
- Preparing release 0.2 for monday.
Bekka:
Alison:
- Working on use cases
- preparing for surveying next week
- running orientation
Website planning report back
- We have been working on a good strawman of the first version of the new site. Meetings in Toronto (Zuzel, Stian, Philipp, and Paul Osman) and San Francisco (Alison, Erin, John, Philipp, with Zuzel on skype) to talk through all the main features we need for April, and the ideas we have for our platform for beyond.
- A: Lots of changes coming in the new site, which will knock out a lot of the problems with the drupal site.
- A: Current site claims to be a place for peer-to-peer learning, but is actually just a poor interface for traditional courses.
- A: New p2pu.org is about study groups and forming them around a topic. These groups do "stuff" around tasks, which are the spaces where activity takes place.
- P: Study groups can have an intended start date, but are not tied as strictly tied into rounds anymore.
- A: Anyone can follow anything (school group, task, person) but to particiapte you do have to sign up. There is no sign-up "task" but anyone signing up for a study group has to answer 2 basic questions: "Why have you signed up" & "What would you like to learn". Organisers then accpet/deny people on the basis of these answers, but once they've been accepted, their answers become public.
- A: Course organisers: What do you call an organiser now, and how much authority do they have (at the basic minimum)? A person who creates a group and tasks and allows people into the group
- Pippa: How do "experts" prove their expertise? referring to ranking of group "creator" being queried at study group creation.
- Alison: When an individual fills in the form, they express their own level of expertise - we can hope that people will tend to not claim expertise.
- Pippa: Ranking of skills might be more effective if badges are being used as the metric
- Philipp: right now, we have no way of measuring the skill level of the people who start courses, but it is assumed that you need to be an expert and this probably prevents a lot of peer-to-peer learning from taking place.
- Philipp: what happens in the study group is really important and experts can be terrible facilitators
- Pippa: How would study groups branch? And how do we track this and see how the groupings emerge?
- Bekka: would a course be one big task or would it be a series of tasks?
- P: Study group creators have freedom to decide this (structure), but essentially a study group is very much like a course on the level, and tasks are realized learning goals/activities within in
- P: Perhaps groups could create more tasks within the original framework as they go
- How will meetings be managed? Infomration about meeting time, tool, place, notes?
- could this be like a task? but displayed with prominence and that meeting notes could be shared as a link to an etherpad (for example)
- Completing tasks:
- apprehension around over-engineering
- self-assessment, peer assessment, facilitator assessment? (in places without badges)
- how do you add an effective feature in without causing other problems?
- Pippa + John B echo idea of peers comenting and finding
- As yet, we don't have a perfect solution to managing this - it would be useful to be able to see what other people do and learn from them.
Surveys
- Alison: particpant and organiser surveys will go out this week, and they will include questions about badges, which Pippa is drafing in conjunction with Erin. (Philipp: That is great, and ambitious, go for it!!!)
- Pippa: Is this survey only for people who have participated or can we include people who have not participated?
- Ali: This survey is very focused on participation right now, so maybe we need a seperate survey for people who have not participated.
- Philipp: We need to be sure about what we want to find out from people who have not participated - did they not take part becuase there were not enough courses or were there other reasons? If we find this out, how does it help us make changes?
- Pippa: It would be useful to know why people have not particpated, why they have not taken the next step to running a course
- Philipp: Perhaps it would be useful to ask people if they signed up for a course as a first step. Then we can at least get the people who didn't get into the course, even though we don't get everyone's opinions (those who didn't sign-up).
- Did you sign--up for any courses?
- were you accepted into a course?
- additional questions we can ask after this? <--- HELP?
Lighthouse
Should we all start using it?
Bekka, Ali, Philipp and Zuzel all enjoy it. Pippa will too. Yay for Lighthouse.
17 March 2011
Happy St. Patrick's Day! (zuzel got the right color!)
Agenda:
- Toronto Meetup Recap
- SF Meetup Planning
- When is this happening? Next Tuesday/Wed (March 22, 23)
- Review of Lernata editor options
- Badge pilot update
- Working on a bunch of new badge communications assets here:
- What else?? Put your agenda items here:
- Feedback from Ali & Bekka's Roadmap + april course discussion
- Both sets of notes are in this pad - see below...
Attendees:
Erin (go Braugh!)
Zuzel
Dan (I'm Irish)
Alison
Bekka
Matt
Philipp (no voice, on a plane)
Toronto P2PU Tech Meetup
Philipp, Zuzel, Stian
http://wiki.p2pu.org/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder¶m=Tech
designs/interface planning for lernata
plan for development for next 6 weeks
met with Paul to discuss Batucada overlap
SF P2PU Meetup
Philipp, Erin, Alison, John
Provide feedback to plans from Toronto
Requirements/specs gathering/clarification
Possible new rich text editor: http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/tryit/full.php
Current editor: http://wiki.p2pu.org/w/file/37881251/current%20editor.png
http://p2pu.lighthouseapp.com/projects/71002/tickets/6-rich-text-editor#ticket-6-11
TODO: Talk about it in the SF meeting
Roadmaps
* http://wiki.p2pu.org/w/page/36991876/Roadmap-2011
* https://github.com/p2pu/lernanta/wiki/Lernanta%27s-Roadmap
Important Dates:
March 28th Release 0.2 of the new site
April 11th Release 0.3 of the new site
April 14th signup starts (both in the old site? and the new site)
April 25th - Next Session of Courses start + release 0.4 of the new site
~June 6th - Next Session of Courses end
Badges Update
- Nice interaction in the javascript basic badge http://badges.p2pu.org/questions/1/javascript-basic-badge-challenge
- Extended this round of the pilot through the end of next week (~3/25)
- April courses will use a built out version of the pilot - Pilot 2.0
- The plan is to take what we learn and have a more comprehensive, integrated assessment/badge system for the July courses
Webcraft courses to get jobs
- I am trying to answer the following question:
- What are the 3-5 (or 6) courses or content areas that a learner would need to master for us to have a reasonable expectation that they could get a job based on those skills?
- The purpose of this exercise is the Department of Labor grant proposal in which we will be asking for funding to develop those content areas / courses, including assessments in a way that would let community colleges run them, as well as SoW.
- Can we use the Web Developer badge pathway (=gold standard, ah! i didn't make that connection) that we are designing? Mix of hard/soft skills? I would hope so, but not sure we were focused on jobs specifically in that.
- Hm, maybe we should rethink this then since I think jobs should be the main driver. That's fine - I think there might be some courses / skills that are useful to have that we can't directly map to jobs, but agree that the main focus, especially for the things we give badges for, should map back to jobs. What's the best place to look at that? (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_yBvIERsHEOpVjfCUpDE38HvmPR-pzGF3WZieCprXsA/edit?hl=en&authkey=CKvr-YEJ)
- For a little background on this for others on the call, the Gold Standard Web Developer badge is something that we are working on for the Fed/White House digital literacy efforts
- Basically, people could earn the prerequisite badges from SoW (or other pathways) and get this meta badge that could get them jobs, etc.
- The other thing to keep in mind (and I don't have that information yet) is what courses are currently offered at community colleges and find a way to loosely connect to that - as it makes it easer to get our materials into those institutions. I am planning to ask Pippa to look into that.
- This might mean looking very closely at our materials as well - formatting/organisation/location are all things that we'd need to consider.
- Yes - and we don't want the courses to become boring institutional, this is (could be) an opportunity to build something that is much better than what is currently used for courses in community colleges.
- Absolutely - this could be a great opportunity to NOT do what a lot of the OER resource collections are currently doing, and just be amazing.
14 March 2011 - Roadmap Planning
Planning for April
- Use this low volume time to curate a small group of organizers, with an emphasis on fringe courses (not tech) and a special focis for webcraft courses participating in badge pilot
- Task (Alison):
- follow up with all draft courses that have yet to run
- identify pilot courses for lernanta - combination of tech & non-tech courses
- connect with schools to identify a few courses ready for april
- (B) Task: Follow up with people who have made contact and have not yet developed courses and invite them to sign up in April.
Roadmap Development
- http://wiki.p2pu.org/Roadmap-2011
- We can populate the Roadmap if people take things that they are doing, and add them into the roadmap, rather than allocating existing tasks.
- Bekka & Ali will start doing this on the wiki for now, and transfer to Lighthouse as is appropriate.
10 March 2011
ATTENDEES
Pippa
Bekka
Alison
Dan (Michigan)
AGENDA
- Cat Discussion
- 30 Second Report Backs
- Call for Participation April 2011
- Roadmap 2011
- Survey - additions?
- School of Webcraft wikis?
NOTES
Note: Ali generally doesn't like cats, but is making an exception for this one
Report Backs:
PIppa
- tired
- to do:
- working on survey
- learning pathways
- wiki restructuring
Ali
- life changes! tumultuous! distracted!
- awesome - 86 days of rain
- what schools would like to see (Math+SoSI) for tech improvements
- Ali's own ideas - bright ideas and social learning
- To do:
- analysing participation metrics
- surveys
Bekka
- extra curricular
- work stuff
- neglecting P2PU
- time for P2PU again
- helping Delia, Philipp - Incorporation Paper Work
- 230 page document for IRS
Dan
Uschi the cat
Call for participation
Task based conversations
- general call out - Bekka
- clarified idea of what is expected at the minimum level
- 5 new courses proposed
School of webcraft has had one new course filtering in
- Slow response may have something to do with the change in mailing list set up,
- still needs to be a push to get current participanst involved.
dan - one guy from jquery course likely to run a course or get involved in dev;
may have gotten involved in DEV list
task - pippa to email webcraft course organisers encouraging them to ask participants to propose courses
Bekka - how many courses are the optimal number for April?
- Ali - 45 is reasonable, exponential growth is not-optimal
- 40+ participants in orientation is too many for this round, particularly with current platform
- Charles only has 4 or so hours to fix up the site
- Not strategic to bring too many new people into the system
- Review of courses - focus energies at that point, may wait for following cycle
Pippa: is there some way we can keep up with what's happening in courses on a regular basis, and harvesting that material?
what is lacking from the orientation?
- different formats - how to pull stuff off?
- more seminars from past organisers
- seminar on methodologies - i've got an idea - let's break it down
- no-one's reading the handbook
- some stuff is missing
- everyone says "i should have read the handbook"
- good information - is it presented appropriately
- use handbook as source document
- OSQA style resource?
- link osqa answers to handbook chapters
- discussions framed around the handbook +1
- orientation discussions were better than on a list
- make as lightweight as possible - will be revamped post-april
- increase visibility of handbook?
Roadmap 2011
- Webcraft Roadmap: http://wiki.p2pu.org/w/page/36994118/Roadmap-2011
- many overlaps between SoW goals and P2PU general goals
- task: ali + bekka to meet and map out
- task: pippa to refine and move through roadmap beyond Q2
- task: pippa, ai and bekka to rejoin in western hemisphere
- Ali: makes more sense to mindmap and then make time-based linear list
Surveys
- Alison, Philipp, Joe, Erin, Pippa and some others to re-visit this discussion via email, and try to find a nice, useful, friendly, pretty, valuable tool that we can all love and work with.
Webcraft Wiki
SoW wiki has been dormant for a little while, other tools are being use instead -
- Pippa was wondering what information should be put into the wiki and is looking for feedback on how to keep mutliple channels and tidy and clean as possible.
- Philipp: Badge infrastructure -> Mozilla wiki (e.g. wiki.mozilla.org/badges)
SoW related work (incl. badges for SoW) -> P2PU wiki
- Alison: Ideally all information would be stored in some section of the P2PU wiki, but sometimes this is not possible, other schools are doing different things.
Done!
03 March 2011---------------original colouring at piratepad.net/p2pu------------------------------------------
ATTENDEES
Bekka
Pippa
Alison
Dan (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
Alina M
Philipp (LA)
AGENDA
- 30 Second Report Backs - What are you currently working on?
- Pivotal Tracker and Lighthouse -
- how is the community meant to be using this?
- April Call for Participation - SoW drafted http://piratepad.net/p2puCallForCourses
- Proposed changes to Course Draft page (Create and Manage Learning Projects) and others -
- Roadmap 2011
NOTES
30 Second Report Backs
- Pippa
- April Call For Projects (New messaging around participation)
- TODO
- Huff post collaboration follow up
- Collaborating with Ali on improvements for April
- January end-course surveys and related blog posts
- Top 5 course wish thing for Philipp
- Bekka -
- adding tasks to Lighthouse
- Organising the P2PU UK meetup for 12 March
- Alison
- working with transitioning ideas around new formats into course design handbook
- p2pu animation
- continuing orientation with current organizers
- Philipp
- preparing for DML in LA
- working on Dept of Labour OER grant
- hiring tech lead
Pivotal Tracker, tracker.p2pu.org and Lighthouse
- Until we explain to people how to use these tools, it risk becoming another under-utilised tool
- not all changes intentional
- Dev list likes PT for doing actual work
- doesn't allow public / anonymous feedback and bug reports
- not user friendly for non-techs
- Lighthouse (on Atul's advice) good for non-tech bug report tracking
- Lighthouse integrates with Pivotal Tracker
- LH public facing for initial ideas
- Zuzel can move into PT once it is being worked on
- Community account (Bekka and Philipp)
- working on - good for communty to get involved in
- invite tasks and participation
- Pivotal Tracker purely for deep tech
- Give the current users a few weeks to use the tools and see if they like them before we make public anouncements/give instructions on how to use the various tools.
- Everyone interested in playing with it - please get an account at http://p2pu.lighthouseapp.com/dashboard
- Current site development will remain on tracker.p2pu.org - Zuzel & Alison will be managing this but as we phase out the old website, we will phase out the old tracker.
April Call for Participation
- Pippa has drafted a call for participation, specific for Webcraft
- how can new organizers adopt courses/learning projects?
- other schools have been prompted, no action seen yet
- general P2PU call has yet to be drafted - TASK: Bekka will draft the general call for courses. Ali will help :-)
- multi-dimensional call for participation, adopt, organize, collaborate
- Suggestion: Add one sentence in SoW call that mentions people can also run non Webcraft calls at P2PU.
- out by Monday :-)
- Q: what are the tech changes required?
- Adoption?
- copy + paste (agree with P)
- add method to qa
- Q: translation of calls?
- [task: pippa to add "interested in working on this past courses / taking it over / reanimating its lifeless body" to current course homepage]
Proposed changes to Course Draft page
- Pippas has drafted a page which is easier to navigate and addresses some of the lanuage changes we've been discussing.
- Q: Would this need more than content updates on the current site? Does it change what types of documents, content blocks, etc. are created when a course is created?
- No - mainly reordering of things. But some new fields as well, e.g. status update.
- Q: Is this for current site, or for future site?
- Would like to see change on current site, as it makes usability better for next round.
- submit suggestions to DEV list, work with Bekka and Ali (primarily) to determine that suggestions are reasonable
- work out focuses for current drupal site and lernanta, divide tasks/wishlist first
- define specific tasks
- charles and zuzel to break down tasks and prioritise
- future: there will be product managers to work through these ideas
- assessment and badges - ERIN
- pre social learning product manager appointment: PS defining minimal viable first step (March)
- getting Zuzel up to speed
- Ali and Pip to fill some of that role w Philipp until SLPM
- too many etherpads!
- I would prefer we move back to the wiki for centralized projects + openness +1+1=2
- Chance we can run a few pilots on new platform in April - awesome!
- Q: should we scout out a few pilots? [Yes!]
- would prefer as least a few returning organizers to develop perspective, like Una @ Open textbooks, or Laura @ SoSI, plus a few webcrafters, Joe Corneli @ Math
- barebones projects are great to try this
- organise subset of users to work though a trial (user test) of new site.
- Once these potential pilots have been identified, they can work thorugh Ali and Pippa, (sounds good, would prefer this) and via them, Zuzel, to run this pilot experiment.
- Reminder: Pippa to ask Karen (KBH) about tech writing course documenting the new version of site
Addition to agenda -> Roadmap 2011
- Wiki (using SoW draft)
- Pippa to transfer to Wiki http://pad.p2pu.org/Webcraft2011RoadMap
- identify milestones w changes of state for lighthouse and subtasks
- task: Alison + Bekka to gather existing roadmap and fill in the blanks: http://wiki.p2pu.org/roadmap
- schedule for p2pu - what has to happen to get to next rounds, who is responsible/takes ownership?
- development goals
- assign milestone tasks in lighthouse
- Lighthouse is a watered down tracker, very easy
- idea - look at open tickets in weekly call +1, integrate with 30 sec updates?
- we have to use tools like LH to get them to work :-)
==24 February 2011 ==
Attendees
Erin
Matt
Alison
Pippa
Bekka
Philipp (Sorry late!)
Dan (Michigan)
Mark (UK)
Agenda
- 30 Sec Standups
- Call Time Review
- Open data discussion
- Badge/Assessment Pilot Update
- P2PU Animation
- P2PU Lead Dev?
- School of Webcraft
- SoW Roadmap First Dive http://pad.p2pu.org/Webcraft2011RoadMap
- How do we ensure the next SoW cycle is successful?
- What did we learn from January cycle? What will we do differently?
- How do we plough that learning into the rest of P2PU?
- Anna Debenham: collaborate with SoW? (take this offline?)
- specific asks for Anna - she's very interested
- Matt just spoke with her and has some specific proposals / ideas :-) cool
Notes
30 Sec Reports
- What are you working on? (standup)
- Alison:
- "bright ideas" for design,
- p2pu animation,
- everytime orientation stuff (always ongoing)
- Bekka:
- backlog of emails
- plan for task and tools
- Reworked job decription for myself to send to TSF
- Matt: getting ready for Digital Media and Learning Conference
- Pippa
- sending the first official postcard to P2PU's new postal address
- School of Webcraft Roadmap
- Learning Pathways Draft completed
- Erin:
- Badge pilot launch (launched Monday!)
- Prepping for DML as well (Ignite Talk, Badge Builder, badges)
- Other badge stuff
- Philipp:
- Tech lead (decision today)
- IRS filing for non-profit status - done!+1
- Shuttleworth proposal approved - check!+1
- NSF proposal in process.
- Call Time Review
- Western Time From Now On.
- Only Pippa turned up from the East :-(
- Thank you Pippa!!!
- Thanks for accomodating my galivanting :-)
- Badges
- Hooray!!! Badge pilot launched.
- Many props for Zuzel for getting us to where we are
- Badges-course organizer adoption low :-(
- Plan is to reach out to more people, in phases
- http://badges.p2pu.org (log-in with your existing p2pu account) -- go get a badge!!
- Ali: how can I help? willing to support - reach out!
- Plans for porting badges to p2pu profile
- Zuzel looking at database changes
- Brian will pull badges and show badges on P2PU profile pages +1
- Timeframe: March
- Initial Badge graphics probably being designed by Learning Freedom and The Web designer [also still looking for volunteer help with this going forward]
- Using Mozilla Design Challenge for future badges
- P2PU Animation
- Following comment from the community, Alison is modifying the animation message a bit, and to include how awesome we are
- Please repease the dates
- http://wiki.p2pu.org/w/page/36575413/animations
- Please review and give feedback soon
- The purpose is to explain why P2PU exists, not how it works
- Ali died, but was resurrected.
- P2PU Talking Points?
- Especially since we won't be switching soon, important to update content on current site (+1 Philipp)
- There might be some good old content - so maybe merge? (There is also a lot of bad old content ;-)
- TASK: Bekka & Philipp to look at the info on the schools pages and make it more relevant and nice to look at.
- P2PU Lead Dev
- Philipp has to go in 15 minutes to join the final conversation on who to make an offer
- We have two very strong candidates - either would do a great job - but they are different and we'll decide today
- School of Webcraft
- working on the webcraft roadmap for 2011
- Q2 focus so far
- allows us to work out what we'll do differently
- please review / give feedback > http://pad.p2pu.org/Webcraft2011RoadMap
- task team working on roadmpa: pippa, philipp, matt with input from ali, erin, dan? (and everyone else)
- currently quite task based, but until the pivotal tracker / tracker decision is made it may be best identifying tasks and their status in this document
- time to start focusing on recruiting organizers/participants for April, Ali to help :-)
- Issues experienced are mostly related to admin and platform. Not so many issues with content itself. There are enough people who participate. Great resources. Administering the course is not as easy/nice as they should be.
- Dan planning to run a survey (Ali - please link with this, offer use of our survey infrastructure)
- Dan interested in running his course again, and refine it and take on the lessons learned
- Matt thinks that this is a great thing.
- Dan: Would it be possible to target recruitment in areas where there are gaps at the moment in terms of the Webcraft portfolio of courses that are currently on offer.
- Mark is planning a totally peer-2-peer CSS supercourse, keen to collaborate with anyone who is interested.
== 17 February 2011 ==
Attendees
- Alison
- Philipp
- Erin
- Bekka (late)
Agenda
- 30 sec reports
- Review call time
- P2PU Talking Points
- Metrics? Mid-Course update - how is it going? (do we know?)
- Planning for next round
Notes
30 Sec Reports
- What are you working on? (standup)
- What's the next thing you will be working on?
- Limit ot 30 sec
- Let's start doing these in all community calls.
- Ali
- List of bright ideas
- Reviewed particiaptory open social web edu projects and took notes on what is working for them
- Has draft - will share with a few people for feedback by the end of the week
- Help us move forward our ideas of study groups vs. courses vs. furry animals
- Working on animation for P2PU
- Philipp
- Incorporation (getting close!)
- NSF Grant Proposal
- K-12 STEM education
- Driven by Geoff at Mozilla, working with Duke (Go Blue Devils!) and other partners
- Participated in Open Governance course yesterday - great reception, went well!
- Blog post update on SoW
- Erin
- Badge pilot (launching next week - hooray!!!!)
- Various reports
- Prepping for DML conference
- Bekka
- Messaging / Talking points ready to go
- Confession: Tools and Tasks (manage community input) got pushed back, coming back to it
Review call time
- low attendance from eastern call time
- so far, no community in asia/pacific emerging
- western time only
- Task: Philipp to talk with Pippa / Suggestion is to shift to Western time only
P2PU Talking Points
- Almost done - ready to share with broader community: http://pad.p2pu.org/messaging
- Task: Philipp to do one last edit. Bekka to share with community.
- Terminology -> do we talk about "courses" or "study groups"
- Suggestion is to use "courses", but immediately qualify that "courses are really more like study groups"
- Ali: We could also think of "courses" as the subject/content and the "study group" are the people working on it.
- Erin: Ultimate goal is to have access to content that is already availabel and then set up group of people around them. Right now there is a lot of re-inventing the wheel.
Metrics/How are courses going?
- We have no data (problem)
- Anecdotal evidence says things are going well
- Mid-course survey, participant survey (organizers prompt their participants)
- Philipp and Erin happy to help build/deploy these if we want to do this
- Ali to get into gear
- Need a way to "take the temperature" in the courses
- TASK: Maybe just need a lower-fi solution - email to the course organizers
- identify core set of issues - help us build surveys and/or adapt process
- TASK: Look at the data that George can pull for us
- How many signed up (have this data)
- How many are actively participating in the course each week (George/Stian: can we get this data?)
- What else do we want to track to take the temperature?
- SoSI courses, Maths courses, many others seem to be doing well
- Something for new web site
- Quick comment box on the site (look at Firefox beta as an example for quick feedback)
- Running log to gauge the general "happiness" factor at P2PU over time
- Something super lightweight
- Bekka has been thinking about gathering relevant info without turning it into a bureaucratic nightmare
- People don't like filling out forms
Planning for next round
- Dates have been set
- Lots of draft courses created already (how many will really run? hard to say)
- Get ready:
- Mozilla call for courses
- Math & SoSI call for courses
- Task: Ali to wrangle all the schools together and coordinate announcements
- Task: being discussion around sign-up process & collaborative creation of courses, etc
== 10 February 2011==
Attendees
- Alison
- Erin (Oakland, CA)
- Pippa
- Bekka
- Matt from Mozilla
- Dan (Ann Arbor Michigan)
- Jane
- Philipp (Cape Town) (for first three quarters)
- Amy (Madison, WI)
Agenda
- Talking points http://pad.p2pu.org/messaging
- how are courses going? (update from ali)
- update from Pip (and Dan) for Webcraft
- April Call for Courses
- What to do / fix / improve before major call?
CC funding course to run in April (led by Jonas from CC Sweden) - primarily for CC affiliates (will be experimental, an organization leveraging P2PU platform for their training) update on list- Assessment/Badge pilot update
- Tech Lead update
Notes
Talking Points
- Ali is using the talking points as a basis for a short animation "Why does P2PU exist"
- Updating text about p2pu.org and wiki can be slow, but not neglected, if folks see need to update areas of description, they should
- Potential for the talking points to become the core website copy, to be used in all communications, and can be used as
- Get feedback from Matt on the talking points, then set up a call with interested parties for finalising last points and distributing to the community.
Courses
- Overall, the number of courses doing well is very high.
- Alison has been in touch with those where there is less activity, Alison is making contact, handling expectations, dealing with any questions.
- Question (from Philipp): Why do we think so many courses are doing well? Is is because of orientation?
- Related question: how do we channel this into questionnaires and can Ali do it on her own?
- Answer: We do need these, but Ali needs help with designing and managing the creating of these. Pippa volunteers to help with this. Dan to help with Webcraft specific questions
- Dan: his course is working well JQUery - for the love of $
- Coursework example- http://jsfiddle.net/isemanjski/XWUmr/embedded/result,js,resources,html,css
- partly becuase of the online tool they're using, the participants love it. Also, participants are experienced and talented.
- Some participants are being quiet - posibly bacuse they are beig trumped by some of the participants
- Ali: in her experience, this is often a result of group dynamics and not the fault of the course co-ordinator
- Tool is helping
- JSFiddle is an awesome collaborative tool (especially for webcraft courses - Task: include in orientation?)
- broke up course into advanced and beginner groups
- difference between outspokenness in both groups
- Amy -co-facilitator for Intro to PHP
- acting as a true peer
- group dynamics (smaller group seems to help draw out both more active and generally quieter people)
- not super experienced herself, some participants equally experienced (great!!!)
- more experienced facilitator chimes in as needed (so need for "expert" input is met)
- Alison: We don't know that much about the experience of participants who are taking part in P2PU courses, which makes it harder to build the surveys we might give them.
- I am not sure that is true - many of us have run courses, or participated in courses, it's just a matter of asking a few of the right people, and we should be able to get a pretty good start.
Communicating (and potentially changing) "the model"
- Some of the misconceptions that users might have could be addressed through better communication. Using traditinal terms almost perpetuates the model they stand for.
- Changing vocabulary for april might be a way to manage some of the challenges around how people see P2PU
- This feeds into the "talking points"+1
- Dan: there might be other ways of packaging the model, rather than just as "a course" - depending on what people might need/want, a shorter-term gathering around building a tool or a policy, framed as a "seminar" could also be viable.
- TASK Alison & Philipp to take ownership of this process and prepare a strawman / discussion paper.
- Start by looking at other approaches - what works for others?+1
- Look at what we know about our own model - what works, what doesn't?
- Put together a short overview for discussion.
Assessment Badge Pilot update:
- Erin: Many people have been involved in calls around foundational ideas - a developer has been found to help build an OSQA environment for building badges
- Have reached out to the course organsiers who have expressed interest, and they will involve themselves in this
- Guru assesement: a good place for crossover into the Mozilla community to identify the people who might be able to help with building assessment for some levels of skill
- Anyone who knows of a designer who can help with actual building of the badges it would be helpful.
- Alison has some friends, can help by speaking to them and seeing if any of them can help with design.
- Creative Commons blog post -> https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/26358
- Badges will be displayed on p2pu profiles, but will be built in a way that allows them to be displayed on other websites as well.
- Amy: the intro2php course is using voting and weekly awards in the course, Amy will be able to report back next week on how this is working.
Tech Lead update
- 5 people to date have had first interviews - 2 to go
- All to undergo a gruelling techreview with Paul Osman - finished by end of next week
- Strong candidates
- Philipp's interviews drill down into the project, their ideas and understanding of the technical situation
- Enthusiastic
Incorporation
- No board constituted
- No by Laws adopted yet (draft bylaws exist)
- basic incorporation so far for Hewlett Proposal
- Insurance - request for quotes underway
- Stian to report back to community
== 3 February 2011
Attendees
- Alison
- Bekka
- Pippa
is one of the notetakers everyone should take notes together :-) - Heather Ford
- Philipp
- Alex Smolen
Agenda
- privacy discussion (Heather / Alex)
- Mailing List rollover
- Review P2PU & Webcraft landing page / content (user conversion process)
- Proposal: Combine webcraft and community call (Philipp):-)
- idea! learning pathways
Notes
Bekka and Heather have a happy reunion!
Privacy Questions from Alex and Heather
Final thesis project (iSchool Berkeley) identity and privacy in digital learning
http://blogs.ischool.berkeley.edu/masks/
Think P2PU is a good community to explore this in
Building on social norms, what do people want
- Goal: To make people feel more comfortable about participating in online learning environments (regarding privacy)
- Happy to share recommendations for Lernanta privacy settings
- BK: WEbcraft participants (often more experienced web users) are more likely to have alternative identities
- PS: This is great - I recently talked to our lawyer about privacy and he is willing to participate in discussions around privacy. There were also a few recent email conversations both with tech people (access to server and database) and researchers (interested in data analysis).
- Could have a huge impact on the ways in which people are sharing information in an online learning experience
- How can P2PU facilitate the transfer of these ideas into community/practice?
- anthro approach - interviews with participants
- join lists and observe - what classes are open? courses likely to begin soon
- Alex, building prototypes based on Heather's research although in reality we'll both be working on both parts of the project
- how is identity being used currently @ p2pu, and implications for future site changes
- PS: Would not spend much time on dev for Drupal site, but rather use Drupal experience as input, and help with tech dev for lernanta. Can intro to Paul Osman, drumbeat.org tech lead, who wrote the base platform we forked. He might be interested in your work for all of drumbeat.
- Pippa [task] identify upcoming (non April courses) and intro Heather and Alex to Webcraft list
- Results could be different between Webcraft audience and general audiences
- PS: I would start with community list (maybe) because people who have been involved longer. Yes - agree with Pippa's point.
- We are nimble! (Responsive learning)
Mailing list rollover
- About to rollover the mailing list, mailman gives us way more flexibility
- mailman is very flexible
- document the rollover
- let the community know why, how to set it up, notification settings, archives, filters etc
- dev list had similar questions
- non-dev lists may need more support
- waiting on timing from John
- I dont think it will happen too fast - John volunteers to do this
- We are moving them over one by one as John has time (sorry - frustrating answer?) Is there an urgency for any of them, or ok to go along as we have time?
- Bekka: could you connect with John on this? Make sure he feeds into your process.
- Indeed - will get in touch with him and plan a little bit more. [TASK] - Bekka to speak with John and co-ordinate timing and processes between groups as well.
- Changes need to be reflected in wiki: http://wiki.p2pu.org/w/page/28949385/mailing-lists
- point person for working group/mailing list should take responsibility to update changes
- Bekka is point person on this ;-) [I meant point person on moving lists process, includes communicating with other list people - like lila for schools list]
- Make sense? Or did I miss something ;-) (I am dancing like crazy)
P2PU / Webcraft front pages
- converting users into participants
- identify Webcraft pages (Drumbeat/Wiki / SoW on P2PU)
- tighten narrative across all pages and sync them up
- correct mailing lists, FAQs etc
- new Drumbeat site should make this easier
- Pippa [task] - find out Batacuda changeover details and how we can combine this effort with new Drumbeat pages.
- yes, good to sync up with Matt on this
- one related point: in the content, i think it's important to stress that people are "joining webcraft/mozilla/p2pu to improve developer training" and not that "mozilla is training" (mashable) - creates wrong expectation +1 (yes exactly!!!)
- Task: Alison to review content for general p2pu, Pippa please share all content links for webcraft with Ali, not too familiar with drumbeat wiki sure
- can't determine how a journalist is going to focus on a story
Talking Points
- continue on from P2PU talking points and define SoW talking points from there
- [Task] Bekka to refine talking points as they stand, make them more concise, then distribute and we can take it from there, as to whether these remain talking points or become a supplementary document.
Proposal: Combine Webcraft / Community calls
- Pippa +1
- Maybe Webcraft calls once a month on a per need basis
- What time though? :-)
- So, keep the current P2PU times? That would be great Pippa!!!
- Will you communicate to webcraft community? Update wiki etc. (I don't even know where all these call times are listed anymore):-) (TASK Pippa)
- current call times are ok, but i always feel guilt, especially for eastern calls that im half asleep. im hardly helpful.
- keeping current call times until march, then reassessing
- who will take on reminder responsibility? im happy to if no one else wants. Ali: if you could, until we figure out a way to automate it, that would be great. ok Pippa to remind for Webcraft
Webcraft Adventure Story / Pathways / "course" modularisation
- Step by step adventure
- A pathway I can follow, from which I can branch off
- Great idea - fits perfectly with something I have been thinking about as well. I'll have to speak ..
- rethinking - areas to participate in P2PU
- courses are high barrier for participation
- minimum structure in P2PU is a task or challenge (courses are a series of challenges)
- taking ownership of modules
- ties in with badges
- http://wiki.p2pu.org/w/page/35730195/Webcraft-Learning-Pathways
- sorry - just came up at the right time, needs a much longer discussion with more people about general "model" - but seemed like a good momemnt to bring it up
- massive conceptual leap
- are we changing something that we haven't yet achieved
- how can we describe this?
- groups rather than courses +1 (from pippa - this is much better and less scary messaging)
- often courses are super traditional and default to a teacher / student model
- there's a large number of people who come to p2PU wanting traditional structure but they're interested in learnign about more obscure topics (the learning anything bit)
- yes - but are a lot of those "challenges" not related to us telling them that they can get those things at P2PU?
- were are notorious for changing our ideas on something and then switching back - i think p2pu is on the right track and shouldnt feel the need to abandon "courses"
- Not suggesting to completely change track, but there are loads of things that we are not able to do, and users we are not offering value to, because of the barrier of courses.
- our whole design right now is based on the idea of collecting a very small dedicated group of learners, not open study style at all
- yes - that's why it's a good time to talk about this - we are rebuilding the whole thing (not suggesting we want to abandon the small dedicated groups - i think we can keep that. for me that is one core element!!!)
- Are we not wanting to be all things to all people if we make these kinds of changes? That's a risky thing to try and be.
- important to have messaging around "learning groups or study groups"
- i think this deserves a workshop - seriously Ali: +1
- course tends to reinforce the traditional structure - primarily from the participants! (give me free learning!)
- p2pu relies on a large chunk of "unlearning". we do well with organizers but it only transfers so far unto participants
- participants need p2p literacies (cathy davidson style) to get the most out of their experience
- we might be asking too much of organizers (despite the fact that they now have access to excellent support - the handbook, the orientation, the community - they still struggle) agreed/indeed
- WaSP comment -> yes, but maybe that's why the WaSP curriculum is less exciting and your web dev adventure would be so cool ;-)
- To help people "get the p2p model" - you can't forcem them to watch instructional videos first to learn how it work - genau!or read anything. not even terms of use and privacy policies ;-)
- so .... thanks for this round of input. yes - let me put this together in a better way and send around for feedback. [Task Philipp]
- We dont change anything now, except maybe tone down communication around courses (a little bit). This is just an internal brainstorming right now!
== 27 January 2011
Attendees
- Andy Lindeman
- Erin Knight
- Bekka Kahn
- Alison Cole
Agenda
- Orientation schedule
- Next Cycle of courses 2011
- Front page improvements
Notes
- Orientation Schedule - looks like the new platform will not be ready for the next cycle of classes.
- There is a need to map out the timing for course cycles for the rest of the year - this is a good thing
- Some technical aspects have changed for this year, so course organisers can open their own courses,
- Ali's vision: draft courses are send to admins, who send info about handbook, checklist, orientation etc, and advise that it be sent to community for review, and message is sent to community list and we need to establish the social norm that everyone comments on a course draft and helps in the development of the course, before an organiser marks it as "open for signup" - Need community agreement on this process
- Erin: A pre-orientation to show some examples and show materials and walk people through might help to get the community started before they even sign up as organisers.
- Erin: It's hard to match the "perr-driven vision stuff" and the teacher-driven nature of the orientation as it stands right now, if we can address this upfront it would be useful. Someone 'taking the lead' is not the same as teacher driven, I think...
- Alison: Maybe take this idea to the community and brainstorm ways to make ideas super-clear about how to do things and run courses. Ask them "remember when"
- Alison: we have grown really fast, and many people may have come to P2PU wanting something, but not intending to give something in return. P2PU can't function in a take-but-don't-give environment.
- Alison: We may not be so good at communicating that P2PU doesn't have a beurocratic structure that guides people - it's an open community and therefore imperfect. If you spot a problem, and care enough about it, then you can/should fix it. This is how Orientation happened - we made it Alison't problem!
- Alison: Maybe we need pretty ladies with headsets to take calls (no, not really)
- Erin: Messaging around P2PU is key, and we need to ensure, as much as possible, that messaging doesn't create expectations
- Bekka: Do we need talking points?
- Ali: talking points need reflect less about the model and more about what people can do within the community.
- Erin: it would be useful to have talking points that are about what people can contribute to the community, and not just urging people to rush out and join that community immediatly.
- Ali: a front page that has a clear calendar and scrolling news updates would make it clearer for first time users. Drupal is hard, so Ali and her "Front Page Drupal Search and Destroy Task Team" are going to take on the front page.
- Erin: Are the using blocks?
- Ali: yes, and hidden blocks and it takes a long time
- Erin is a hero and knows how to do some of this and can help with some of this.
- TASK a temporary working group of people on the dev and community list can be formed, with a set mandate and list of changes, and they can work on some of these changes. Ali will draft a list of changes, and send the cry for help, and set a due date.
- Ideally the orientation runs all the time, providing support on an ongoing basis for all organisers Need community agreement on this process
- If schools have specifc start dates, we can recommened that they have a specific orientation period, with specific seminars and ongoing support from the P2PU community.
- This can help with Western bias in the start dates as they stand at the moment.
=== 13 January 2011===
Attendees
- Alison
- Andy Lindeman
- Bekka Kahn
- Jessica Ledbetter
- John Britton
- Erin Knight (muted)
- Dan Diebolt
- Nadeem Schabir (On skype)
- Philipp Schmidt 9on a bad line)
- James
Agenda
- Communication ettiquette
- Signup Tasks
- Hiring of the new Lead developer
New Courses
The Orientation seminars are the best place for people who have any problems to bring them up.
Communication ettiquette
- Sign up was great, great selection of classes.
- Only problem is reminding people to be nice, wondering about leading a course considering some of the comments on the mailing list.
- We invite a wide range of people to be part of our community, and organisers have the right to choose who they want to work with.
- Webcraft can go haywire, 6000 people started asking questions on the list
- Finding new, more effective ways for the Webcraft people to communicate is a major priority at the moment.
Signup Tasks
- Some organisers feel overwhelmed by the number of people applied for their course, over 200 applicants, might necessary to make signup tasks harder
- Secondary signup tasks, identifying co-facilitators are options we are considering at the moment
- Not all of the 100s who apply will necessarily commit
- Ask applicants to complete a secondary signup task during first week, some kind of a social contract, posting a message with an acknowledgement of commitment, and their goals, and this can be an effective way of filtering.
- Don't worry about spending too much time filtering individuals, make it the responsibilty of the participant.
- By registering with p2pu.org, all people are able to "lurk" -the site makes it easy.
- Some classes are using google groups, whih makes it a bit harder to lurk, but in forum-based courses it will be much easier.
- Organisers who do use googlegroupls should provide clear links to the group so anyone can read it, even if they keep the group limited to members.
- If a group has an assignment, and creates something that is off-site (off p2pu.org) they can use the Documents section of the course home page to link to/point to their products, rather than using mailing lists/groups to spread the word.
- Is there a way to review revision of documents?
- Yes, Drupal does keep track of revisions, there was a bug last time, but Andy will send a mail to the dev list to ask about this.
Tech Lead
- Dev group wrote a job description for a tech lead - John spread it around online
- He pimped it on a tech job speed dating service
- We've had 15 resumes added to a shared dropbox
- John is busy responding to all the applicants
- We have someone (Brandon) helping out with OSQA work at the moment
- Philipp: Sometimes it's good to have 2 rounds of developer interviews - one with tech people, doing active coding, and another which is "bigger picture" looking at P2PU and the community, how applicants see themselves fitting in there. Paul Osman from Mozilla has offered to help with this
- Nadem: need to check that people can do as well as talk, and can fit in with the community, can they communicate clearly with the kinds of people we have in the P2PU community.
- John: Several components to the job: writing code, working on other people's code, being part of the community.
- Can do 24 hour coding test
- Philipp: add a component - strategic vision, this person should be able to listen to the community, see how users intereact and combine this with ideas that we don't have.
- Is this person a "lead developer" or a "tech lead"?
- John: Writing code is an important component, but they will be involved in other stuff too - linode upgrade, email etc.
- Philipp: we're doig a lot of revsioning, and then telling that to people who are building, but ideal candidate will be part of the visioning in the first place, and is then responsible for maintaining this.
- John wants a benevolent dictator, who can delegate, take ownership, and manage processes as well.
- Need to decide on cut-off dates etc - if people are in NYC over the meetup weekend, they might be able to join the event and chat to the group
- By end of next week, we can decide who not to interview, and then start interview process the week after. Ideally, a short list by the end of February
- Divide and conquer interviews: split into 2 groups for interviews, and depending on how the groups feel, then people can make it through to another round.
- Need someone to administer this process.
- Need some consistency in what we;re looking for - the group running the interviews must share the vision and criteria.
- TASK= this will be built up on the tech etherpad.
- Spreadsheet of people and who will interview them, Philipp happy to sit in on as many as possible.
- TASK = John First version of the spreadsheet by next week's community call
=== 6 January 2011 ===
Attendees
Alison
Pippa
Philipp
Agenda
- Progress on choosing new wiki? [Pippa] - http://pad.p2pu.org/thenewWiki
- Progress on P2PU video for front page?
- How to manage working groups and activities/decisions like above
- how to manage communications / tasks etc between paid staff and volunteers
- managing non-technical tasks
- project management and scaling
- or why I think we should use RedMine as our primary organisation tool: http://www.redmine.org/
- Do we open courses for signup on the 8th? Are they ready?
- how do we determine the maturity of a course.
Notes
Wiki
Recommendation to change to Media Wiki + there's a course on it too!
- identifying a better wiki process - can we get help from SJ and amazing wiki gurus
- international
- localising wikis: moinmoin article?
- MW: customisable, but customisations lose the ability to upgrade
- usability across the board, sucky at admin level, not just at entry level users.
- hosted open source wiki?
- uptime
- spam
- TASK - pippa to call for info arch people on mailing list to give guidance.
Redmine & Project Mangement in General
- http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/Guide
- good tool to manage multiple projects
- should begin to think about ways incorporate cohesive project management, something more robust than google groups/mailing lists
- mailing lists unsustainable, compartmentalizing, buried in volume
- need more solid backend organization process
- could work as a course tool too.
- Need to have momentum and consistent use for it to work
- we have Open Atrium = tracker.p2pu.org ! AHA! :-)
- where does a link to this live?
- tracker.p2pu.org
- we should also be wary of using too many tools - convos get lost - i.e. mozilla pretty much does everything via wiki
- if we use wiki more effectively, reduce need for comprehensive project management
- less places makes it easier to find things
- Identifying all the places where "Stuff" lives, can we consolidate? mailing lists, wikis, google docs, google calendars, p2pu.org, etherpad, osqa
- Wiki information architecture
- Process v Technology
- Other tools and scenarios:
- OKFN -> trac for dev work (dev facing), wiki (for working group), osqa for "ideas" (public facing)
- Pivotal Tracker (recommended by Jessy)
Course signup for 8th?
- can view Draft courses
- we can "open courses for sign-up" soon, but courses will still be undergoing renovations as people apply, applicants should be notified of a lag between applying and being accepted
- need announcement, application until 23rd, start week of 25th - 17th
- TASK: Ali & Bekka begin opening courses (as they're "ready") as of now
- TASK Bekka, Philipp, Communications folks: send big announcement on the 13th (approx)
- review approval process and set tracker tasks for next week
- ensure that course organizers have created thorough sign-up task
- Ali has been working on course checklist: http://wiki.p2pu.org/course-checklist (link is directly on main handbook page)
Designing courses for reuse and iterations - Webcraft focus
- current discussion with a focus on reusable course DESIGN (peer-learning design) this is a little different from course organisation
- pedagogy
- scaling orientation/course design
- tracking data in course to assess health - how do we know a course is runing well? what do we want to collect?
- Two key question:
- What's happening in a course? How many people are contributing? Drop outs? Etc.
- what is the data that I would liek to see? what would help me assess the health/take the pulse?
- TASK (Alison): short list/key things, ideas how to collect?
- What / how much are people learning?
=== 30 December ===
Attendees
- (Alison cannot make it, sincerest apologies)
- Maria Droujkova (if nobody else makes it - Happy New Year!)
- Andy Lindeman
- Lila Bailey
- Bekka Kahn
- Erin Knight
Agenda
- Progress on choosing new wiki?
- Progress on P2PU video for front page?
- School of the Mathematical Future
- orientation and new courses
- Interview for http://www.futureofeducation.com/
- Questions on dev list re: ability to upload files to the server
Notes
- Progress on choosing new wiki / video - deferred until next week
- School of Math Future - run by people from 2 communities
- Math 2.0 is group of community leaders
- Natural Math is people who work with families and other groups
- School is the intercept of these groups
- 6 courses proposed
- Timing difficult at the moment - hopeing to have short descritions ready by January 6th
- 6-10th January to get feedback, upload to P2PU and then participate in the orientation, and work on the drafts
Lila looking for new people to help with C4E for this cycle -
- difficult to find people to do this at the moment - she's speaking to various possible co-coordinaors at the moment,
- might be good to have a non-lawyer running the course, or helping run it.
- Lila will take orientation regardless
- Someone familiar with US law would be required
- Lila will channel Delia:-)
What skills do you need, Lila? When I asked about C at p2pfoundation, several people helped me. May be a resource for you?
- There have been messages on the dev list re: the ability to upload files to the server. Andy will check on this, see how vulnerable this may make us, and will revert to Bekka, who will get in touch with the right people if needs be.
- Looks like the ability to upload files is operating as intended. False alarm!
Everyone expressed delight at having a community call that only last for half an hour.
=== 23 December ===
Attendees
Agenda
Attendees
- Dan Diebolt (Michigan)
- Alison (on phone, not etherpad)
- Philipp
- Pippa
- Bekka
Notes
- Ideas for managing new course organizers
- Move discussions away from the new-courses list into a P2PU course/orientation
- Challenge: new courses list overlaps with other lists
- Benefits of using p2pu.org:
- More personal, people have "faces"
- we know what courses they are running,
- logistical challenges moving between systems,
- organizers get comfortable with the site as part of the orientation
- New courses list is too busy
- replicates course discussions appropriate for other lists
- topics of lists aren't clear enough
- need to keep discussions on P2PU
- Pippa: we need tags to manage overlapping conversations across mailing lists
- Bekka we have to encourage communication norms, particularly for newcomers who may not be technology literate
- Ali: can we run all of this through a P2PU course (as it currently works)
- It's difficult to keep track of people on the mailing list
- we don't know what course they're running, have they already run a course, where are they located, what is their tech capability
- this is easier within a site linked to their profile that should have a lot of this information already stored
- It's important that they get the experience of being a P2PU student
- PS
- we want to build a community of people running courses on P2PU
- P2PU courses should also be happening within P2PU.org so that we can track conversations
- OSQA is elegant and is being used for Webcraft
- acts as general forum and tags allow us to keep track of courses / topics
- fragmented communities are all going to have the same types of questions
- better to bring them altogether in one searchable place
- people need to get experience on the actual P2PU site, managing users etc
- could we run a one week set of exercises on the current site
- The site IS going to change (by the next round)
- Bekka
- more sense - set up incredibly good looking tutorial about current P2PU site (+1 Philipp, +1 Pippa) Task Bekka
- longer term
- suits participants of courses too - they also need to know how to use the P2PU site
- Ali
- we owe the people coming into this round to give them the best experience possible with the current site
- can't just say "suffer now, something better is coming"
- Bekka: this is what we did last round, we can't talk all of them through the site
- questions of scale are now coming home to roost
- Alison garbled screams "6000 users, were we being spammed"
- PS: Screenshots of main pages and arrows etc
- what you can do on each page
- PB notetaking scream: we need to make sure that this documentation is ACTUALLY linked to the page in question.
- Can we set
- Task Philipp Investigate LDAP support of OSQA to integrate sign-up with drupal (also has long-term benefits)
- Task Philipp Put link to handbook/orientation materials into OSQA sidebar
- New Course list (or something like this An amazing Broadcast Tool?) needs to be used to prompt course organisers to certain actions - update your course page? Have you checked the licenses for your content?
- Dan: bewildered, communication devices and policies
- There's a lot of history and presumed knowledge
- not sure what and where you're meant to do / go
- confused by Eastern and Western calls
- came to talk about scalability issues for webcraft in particular
- BK - this is new stuff for us
- scalability is a new issue
- Dan:
- a ruby course (paid) has traditionally held hundreds of people with many TAs helping him out
- if you want greater interactivity you want to allow for voices so that everyone can have their say
- courses effectively have to be run on a mailing list for international scaling
- what is the sweet spot?
- BK: P2PU says to organisers - you have the space and voice to find the best communication tool to work with your participants
- ALi: to have a P2PU it should be more intimate do we want a MMOOC (acronym?)
- to now the advice the P2PU community has given has been targeted to smaller tight knit courses
- we shouldn't suppress anyone's desire to run a larger course
- Could we use this as transition to Pippa/Webcraft - because this is changing - we will have to scale / both by setting up many small groups or one large group (sorry can't talk / poor audio)
- Webcraft
- how to deal with scale?
- running larger courses (or lots of small group around one course structure)
- http://pad.p2pu.org/webcraftHTML5CSSAsynch
- 30 - 40 courses have come in to the spreadsheet - many people will be joining orientation
- Pippa in process of updating Q&A / intergrating it with uservoice
BADGE / ASSESSMENT UPDATE (from Erin)
BADGES - Badges include a range, covering:
- hard skills (i.e. javascript)
- soft skills (i.e. accessibility values)
- community-oriented (i.e. good teammate, mentor, etc. - given by community members to each other)
- other rewards/achievements (organizing a course, p2pu veteran, etc.)
ASSESSMENT
- For the pilot, we are defining the badges and assessments upfront, but there are different assessors/issuers across the badges.
- Assessments cover a range (but no tests!) - challenges, submitting existing work, writing reflective posts, etc.
- Most assessments will be sought out by the learner (not required)
- Assessors include a range as well, covering:
- peer assessment
- guru assessment (seed community with the badge and only those with the badge can assess work and issue the badge)
- course organizer assessment (potentially)
- system assessment (after x behavior, badge awarded)
TECHNOLOGY
- Exploring the use of the OSQA environment to support the assessments and badge issuing
- badge challenges could be questions
- badge seekers will post their work (link, narrative/reflective post, etc) as an answer
- peers/gurus/etc can vote and comment on work
- once some threshold reached, badge awarded
- Still working out the details of how this might work
INFRASTRUCTURE
- New team member (Brian from Flatworld Knowledge) comes on board beginning of January to work on integrating/finalizing the initial badge infrastructure piece (to support collection of badges from issuers and sharing of badges out to various sites for display)
- Badge Infrastructure Work Week in Toronto Jan 3-7th!
=== 16 December ===
Attendees
- Alison
- Bekka
- Lila
- Jane
- Philipp
- Niels
Agenda
- Organizer survey - what's missing to get it out? (Participant survey?)
- Badges and Assessments - update
- Tech Hosting:
- Feedback from Drumbeat?
- OSL hosting came through in the end
- Update on Ali's friend's Ryan's girlfriend (who was stolen last week)
- Last week's tasks report back
- Create a course splash screen is in place (Philipp)
- P2PU Showcase? Laurian is sorta off the grid...
- Update on School Micro-grants
- whats with all the numbers showing up in our wiki page addresses? (http://wiki.p2pu.org/w/page/12427308/FrontPage)
- Great call with Orrick
Notes
- A few days ago Alison saw Michael Cera and called him a girl-friend stealer. Nice!
lurking philipp = nosferatu http://www.sepiachord.com/images/
- Nosferatu.jpg
- Organizer & Participant Survey
- Niels sent some comments
- Jane sent some comments this morning as well - still need to be looked at
- Need to do a final review, then ready to go?
- We have a google spreadsheet with email addresses for all course organizers in last round.
- Task - Philipp to make the survey active (tomorrow) / or make a screenshot - instructions so others can do it in the future.
- Task - Ali to send an email to the course organizers. (Send out Monday)
- Task - Ali - Tell research group about our plans to send out organizer survey / last round of reviews / also look at participant survey.
- Badges & Assessment - Need to postpone update until we speak with Erin
- Waiting for feedback about drumbeat fundraising for tech hosting (Task - Philipp to email Pippa)
- Free hosting from OSOSL came through. Saves us money.
- Task - Philipp. Investigage if we can move stuff during x-mas break to avoid disrupting P2PU.
- "Create a Course" splash screen is in place. http://p2pu.org/create-draft-course
- shark content is shockingly missing
- P2PU Showcase - Laurian volunteered to take the lead on coordinating the P2PU showcase, but Jane is taking that over ;-)
- Want to get some version of the showcase off the ground while we are together in New York.
- Jane has the ok to mock up something (mock up everything). Send to people who volunteered to help - Bekka, Alison, Laurian, Neeru, John etc.
- How about the timeline Laurian made? ping Laurian re timeline!
- School Micro-Grants
- lila working on proposal outline
- one question we discussed on the list was - limit application for grants to people who already have skin in the game? decided that we give preference to people with skin in the game, but are open to completely new things as well
- What are the grant amounts we want to give to individual schools?
- Total budget 25k USD (money is from a fellowship pitch Philipp submitted to Shuttleworth - specifically for this purpose / not core or flexible budget)
- Money can make things uncomfortable; Don't want to give out arbitrary amounts
- guidelines - (ie. we will not fund... ) look at CC catalyst grants guidelines for example maybe
- matching funds - like if the school can self-fund ex amount, p2pu will match x amount. gives greater incentive to find external funding?
- Schools need to submit a budget - with justification
- Question: better to communicate a maximum amount (e.g. 5k) or leave open but say we prefer to give smaller grants?
- Task - Lila to send to the group, with some specific questions. Was waiting for above decision before sharing.
- perhaps add in guidelines about how much certain things cost (like paying a person from x number of hours per week)
- we won't have a hard upper cap of amount we will fund, but will say we are interested in funding lots of schools and ony have a total of 25k. hopefully this will lead to ppl only applying for what they need
- TASK: Ali - email PBworks support to find out why URLs have extended
- Orrick is a fantastic law firm, they have taken us on pro bono
- There is a way to contact people via uservoice
- Task - Bekka to review what we have on uservoice and invite people into P2PU who might be missing.
=== 8/9 December 2010 ===
Attendees
- Alison
- Bekka
- Pippa
- Philipp
- Dan
Agenda
- Hewlett proposal update - focus on learning
- Next round of courses - next steps - issues - discussion
- Postering practices (not that crucial to talk)
- MIT License for P2PU Technology - to continue on mailing list
- Fundraising for server - budget?
- WIKI Gardening?
- post-course survey - who's responsible?
Notes
- Ali's friend Ryan's girlfriend "stolen" by Michael Cera
- Famous people Alison knows: Philipp Schmidt and Delia Browne (famous only in Spain), Joe Jackson
Hewlett Proposal
- P2PU was invited for this round of proposals - high chance of success
- Framing, scope
- Hewlett focus - drill down on learning - what do people learn?
- tracking - how do you evaluate and track learning in an informal environment, metrics and data
- another way of saying assessment - ties in well with current projects
- validating learning - P2PU needs to be better at demonstrating what people learn and helping people validate their own learning
- School of Webcraft with Mozilla certifying
- UCalifornia - Irvine certifying continuing learning practice
- P2PU to lead how to track "deeper learning"
- provide a framework
- deadline 07 December - feedback to come
- Q from Alison: Incorporating faster for funding?
- is that for Hewlett?
- Philipp - could have applied for funding through UCI and continued with their support
- downside - we (p2pu) don't get the recognition of Hewlett Funding and support
- UCI has a Hewlett grant - would be difficult for them to reapply while currently with funding
- Bekka - we need to generate data about what we do and formalise the "stuff" that we do eg. Course Completion, better evaluation in general Are Hewlett ok with our exploratory/ experimental status?
- PS - we haven't been strong on data and evaluation - if we get support we have focus to improve at this.
- Proposal to be sent around once it is baked further
Incorporation Update
- Lila helped us contact a lawfirm in California who are providing Pro Bono assistance with incorporation
- Bekka - Can they get the incorporation done in the timeframe to submit Hewlett funding
- More modern 501c(3)
- minimal papers submitted for legal status
- 6 months to explore how to be a non-traditional non profit
Next round of courses (Alison)
- courses to begin on January 26th
- Orientation to begin January 10th - can't begin any earlier.
- Drafts to go up prior to Jan 10 2011
- Webcraft call has gone out
- 3 courses proposed already, Target is 30 courses
- Some courses will run again
- Webcraft a little ahead of P2PU overall in terms of getting the call out
- Not really: already 14 draft proposals (some might be SoW) on the site
- Question: how many courses are we going to recruit for this round? Is there a target? And what's the prize?
- Target for 60 courses total -
- Don't want SoW to overwhelm the general community (+1 from Pippa)
- roughly 10 SoSI courses proposed for next round
- 60 still manageable - hectic but not crazy
- more experimentation
- Ali thinks its feasible (warm fuzzy courses included)
- Pippa is doing a great job getting the word out - and as part of recruiting for SoW she is channeling more fuzzy courses into overall P2PU (awesome!)
- If an organiser feels that Jan 26th is too early to be ready, they're free to run a course later.
- (TASK) Bekka has text written up to go out - so P2PU can put out a call for courses.
- Promote the orientation as a course in its own right?
- Brings up a lot of logistical things (challenges)
- Biased - pros and cons ...
- Taking a course as a prerequisite makes it very formal (and high effort)
- But could be an interesting option for people who have an idea, but can't commit for Jan 26 - good way to get them involved now?
- Join newcourses list (mini orientation) now
- Join orientation next time it runs
- Dan: you should promote on digg, reddit, slashdot, boingboing etc
- Are new courses created on the wiki or on the site?
- Should be flexible, but clear default is to create new courses on the site (not on the wiki)
- Makes logistics easier, easier to see for users, easier to manage the process
- Make creating a new course easier
- (TASK - Philipp) Add button on the home page
- AGREED: need create a course option - should be more prominent than "suggest a course"
- (TASK - Bekka) Check how we can communicate with uservoice people
Timing of calls (coordinate with Webcraft call)
- Do we want to move the P2PU call an hour forward or backwards? later?
- Pippa to do a whenisgood for SoW call (TASK - Pippa)
- Once we know what time the SoW call happens, we can adjust the P2PU call to avoid overlap
Alison loves her job. We love Alison.
- Philipp offers to make the job more boring and more like waitressing.
- Alison does not want to wait tables anymore. She really does love her job :-)
Postering
- Activating younger learners - engaging with different communities
- Reach different communities
- What's the process to get them out?
- Want to make sure everyone feels ok about the posters.
- Pippa: Put it on the community list. If someone hates it or has a suggestion, they can speak up on the list. If nobody speaks up - run with it. (+1 Philipp)
- waiting for the community's agreement (approval?) can mean that nothing gets done.
- if there's more disagreement then approval (or silent compliance) it's best to listen to the community's feelings
- Share the original files - Ali uses Pixl.r (http://pixlr.com/editor/) not sure if ".pxlr" transltes to other editing suites.
MIT License
- Webcraft Charter has weakened license wording
- check specifically with John
Fundraising for Server
- Use drumbeat funding opportunity to raise funds for server hosting
- Pippa discussed with Matt Thompson (Drumbeat Lead)
- Target?
- Current costs:
- Linode hosting for two servers roughly 1500 USD / year (ideally we'd be using larger linodes ~ 2000 USD / year)
- Other things we'd love to experiment with (big blue button) would add costs to this
- SMTP services (email sending) could easily go over 1000 USD / year (but we have sponsorship from sendgrid for basic amount of email)
- what about scaling up to 20,000 users?
- are these costs estimating the drain on performance and bandwidth to deal with this usecase?
- Goal: 5,000 USD?
- Next step:
- Check this with whom? Matt? Mark?
- Are you guys ok with this?
- Keg parties. Yes. With Beer cosies? Coosies?
- Bake sale - with tea cosies.
- John should have massive kegger (like 200 people @ $5 cup = $1,000.00) in NYC. Snowball contest. T shirt prizes.
- Can drumbeat help with this endeavor? (TASK - Pippa!)
Post-Course Survey
- It's in limbo
- Alison created a duplicate survey of the original and edited it
- for course organisers
- Added section on orientation
- Added section on retention
- Motivation to complete the survey.
- Motivation to run and analyse the survey data.
- What is the role of the research team?
- Research team expressed a lot of enthusiasm about this and haven't moved the task forward
- Course organizers will remember details now that will get lost if we don't run a survey now
- Course participants will also remember details now.
- Can we request (directly, pointedly and politely) that the research group produced evaluation surveys by date x?
- their involvement shaping the surveys will influence the type of data they receive
- set up a call with research team?
- participant survey + organizer survey timing crucial - must move forward on this
- (TASK - Ali) to send email to the research list
- (TASK - Philipp) to follow up with general question about reserach working group taking responsibility
- (TASK - Philipp) to forward to assessment list to make sure that anyone else who wants to participate, knows about it
- Thoughts on general survey (not course organizers)
- We could get interesting data if we sent it to everyone who signed up to the site
- Survey design - pathways for those who signed up for a course and those who didn't signup further branches at "did you complete the course" and drop out (withdrawel levels)
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30 November 2010
Notes are being taken here: http://piratepad.net/p2pu
Participants
Agenda
adopt phrase "community learning environment"
etherpad as syllabus?
learning objectives and personal learning goals:
- objectives and goals should be technically supported
- course structure page should match screenshot of course home page...
will the drupal site be scrapped after january?
updated FAQs? These are relevant to SoW too. What can we add.
- What is peer learning?
- Do I need to be an expert to lead a course?
- What do you mean by "open"?
- How are decisions made in Peer 2 Peer University?
- I'd like to work on P2PU in a language other than English. How can I do this?
- I'd like to invite someone to present P2PU at a conference. Who should I talk to?
- I'd like to present P2PU to an audience. How can I do this?
- I'd like to do research on P2PU. Who should I talk to?
- I'd like to support P2PU, How can I get involved?
- Where is P2PU based?
- I'd like to send you all gifts. How can I do this?
Notes
23 November 2010 - COPIED FROM http://piratepad.net/p2pu
Attendees:
Philipp
Jane
Erin Knight
Alison
Joe Corneli
Agenda:
- Task list for P2PU community
- Contracting progress for Community and Orientation Coordinators (Update)
- Assessment for SoW
Notes
Task List:
https://spreadsheets2.google.com/ccc?key=toQT705aE_sytfIhE3Me-Lw&authkey=CMDsg-gB&hl=en_GB&authkey=CMDsg-gB#gid=0
- Also differentiate between ongoing tasks and once off
- ongoing ones would be good to feature in the flowchart discussed in the chat :)
- Bekka to bump tasks to the next month if they don't happen "on time"
- Tasks that haven't been done are marked red - switch to green when they are done
- Keep list relatively static (not add lots of other tasks) - would get messy otherwise - use this as our original roadmap
- John (Bekka?) to send monthly reminder - about a week prior to end of the month - with a link to the spreadsheet and suggestion to update for everyone (and switch tasks to green)
Contracting for Community and Orientation Coordinators
- We secured funds to extend contracts until end of February 2011, which gives us time to secure more long-term support for both positions.
- Community Coordinator role is changing a little bit as Orientation Coordinator is taking over some of the original responsibilities
Assessment for SoW
- Erin is now on board to lead assessment work - initially for 2 assessments in SoW, but her work will spill over into other areas hopefully
- Plan is to have 2 assessments in the January round of courses
- Pippa is working with Webcraft community to define which skills/competencies are most important
NYC Meeting
- Alison is coming (by train)
- Philipp is coming (by plane)
- Jane is already there (not sure if i will show up though... ;) JUST KIDDING (of course)
Update: Budget for Meetups (between now and February 2011)
- We stayed under budget for the Barcelona meeting, and can use remaining funds to support smaller mini-workshops between now and end of Feb 2011
- We could give some support to NYC, maybe to bring more techies?
- We could pull more people to NYC in January or organize a separate meeting somewhere else in February (to Malta. Jane will be the judge and select the appropriate sunglasses)
- Only people who do concrete work (produce outputs) would get sponsorship.
Workshop 2011
- John was in New Orleans-- and gave a thumbs up for it! :D (lots of unhealthy food though, which is actually pretty great)
- Yay! We should all start watching Treme in preparation.
- One thing we also need to discuss at some point is the format for future workshops.
- And type of participants (we are limited by numbers/money)
- One thing is fairly certain - we cannot continue expanding the workshop in the same way we did from 2009 to 2010 (unfortunately :( )
16 November 201016 November 2010
Participants:
Stian Haklev (???
Pippa Buchanan
Maria Droujkova
Promo Video
http://pad.p2pu.org/promovideo
A little like this: The Future of Money by Gabriel Shalom and KS12http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekF8Zsv5F3w
School of Community and Family Maths
Maria: going to work on who's running courses next week
how to overlap between natural maths and p2pu communities?
Stian: do you want to keep it on an existing platform?
M:
- Elluminate for weekly meetings
- not sure if to use mailing lists, use OSQA as basis for course interactions
- wants to use a better wiki than PB Works
- WikiSpaces is recommendation
- TiniMC WYSIWYG
- Need it to embed videos and screencasts
- Use P2PU as portal and use external tools
- Looked at Course Design Handbook and found it useful!
M: Were you both in Barcelona? Yep
Will try to make it to New York meetup, are there any other local workshops planned?
S: Is primarily a working meeting rather than a decision / planning meeting.
M: Are there more people in S-E US? In North Carolina?
P: Jessy is in Washington DC - hopefully new site will support a way of recording localities.
S: This will be a way to run local courses as well as meetups.
P: Maria - you could ask the Community mailing list if anyone else is local or organise a meetup with 2+ related people
S: Philipp often organises meetups when he's travelling
M: there's a science blogger event happening in Raleigh soon - will talk about P2PU then.
M: Found out about P2PU through Josh Gay - very excited to have found the project!
Assessment Working Group!
P&S in consensus that a formalised assessment working group needs to be made. These conversations have been happening, but not very well communicated back to the broader community.
What should the focus of this group be?
Is the priority Webcraft assessment? Who does this benefit and are the current assessment priorities being met?
How to report back from workshops such as assessment and barcelona?
Stian and Pippa
How can we get better at (and have better processes) for reporting back sessions?
The storage of notes on the wiki is good, but difficult for non-participants to enter into.
Would be nice to create a "tight report back" of each session which is designed as a wiki precis and to be used in annual reports etc, and to forward to the mailing list.
There wasn't enough time in Barcelona each day to write these summaries.
Report Backs
Promo Video call to action!
http://pad.p2pu.org/promovideo
Maria talked about School oF Community Maths progress and wanting to organise South East US Meetups
It's time for assessment action and would be great to have a working group that reports back to the broader community
How can we make reporting back from workshops to the broader community easier and better?
9 November 2010
Joe Corneli: I probably won't be there but I wanted to mention to the group that Charlie Danoff and I wrote a cool paper I'd *like* to discuss with you: http://metameso.org/~joe/docs/paragogy-final.pdf (food for thought).
Website preview: http://www.flickr.com/photos/johndbritton/5139835878/
Participants
Una
Jane
Bekka
Alison
Notes
Ways to improve participation in courses:
*C4E - (local) teamwork aspect good for other courses
*Bring a friend (pair people with their friends) promote idea during sign-up process
Orientation
*Improving orientation, include feedback sessions between new & experienced organizers
*Discussions on new courses list helpful - archives seen here: http://groups.google.com/group/p2pu-new-courses
* Tech/Dev team please keep us updated as to the new changes to p2pu.org
* @ Barcelona, Workshop attendees decided on communications improvements: http://groups.google.com/group/p2pu-community/browse_thread/thread/dfb4dc881bc2b662/5dd1d91dd941f73e?lnk=gst&q=strawman#5dd1d91dd941f73e
* New courses begin Jan 26th, orientation sessions start Jan 10th
* organizers and participants BOTH need to unlearn social roles in courses to let courses be truly p2p
* repetition may
19 October 2010
Participants
Alison
Pippa
Notes
creation formal roles within p2pu
-ownership of modules
Tech Sprint Wants
course vetting process: yes/no & spam
tracking participation
-allows participant to curate their activity
New wiki to be decided before Barcelona?
-helpful to techsprint
-decision comunity is capable of making online (or is it?)
12 October 2010
Participants
Alison Cole
Lila Bailey
Alex Halavais
Miriam Corneli
Charlie Danoff (Collaborative Lesson Planning)
Agenda
Notes
Miriam: participant not receiving broadcasts, curious about using google group for better communication
Alison: google groups good - but not visible. Better to have all the learning take place in a visible way/on p2pu.org
Lila: Using google docs for collaborative work, has concerns about levels of participation within working groups - is it too late to rate eachothers contributions?
Introductions: non-synchronous vs. synchronous introductions. Lila never has done any synchronous meetings in 3 rounds!!!!
Broken it down into regional/ timezone slices (oooh, good idea)
Introductions on the Forums link.
Free conference line?
Tokbox and Skype are kind of troublesome
Freeconferencecalling.com is one I've used before with pretty good luck
word documents vs. collaborative wiki spaces??
Is there anyone who has some overall feedback on the effectiveness of these various on-line learning techniques??
Alex: freeconferencecall is great for introducing and providing feedback about halfway through the class
breaking the ice and building community
Who are you, why are you here, are you familiar with using blogs, forums, wikis etc. THEN you cam make the decision about what kind of media to use
AND if you want to be here then here are the expectations we expect you to meet...
kind of a commitment level thing. And, everyone knows what exactly is expected.
failed expectation or people not knowing how to use the tools causes attrition
What are the critiquing standards: facilitator based vs. group based, what style of crititquing, and what are the rules, what is fair/unfair
"Office hours" haven't really worked too well yet either
How to beef up the orientation or else "nuggetize" it for course facilitators
A course for on-line course facilitators, "orientation" sounds less heavy duty than "course" so some of the instructors didn't join in.
Orientation function is a lot like orientation for the individual courses, no one knew what the commitment level was, and gave facilitators room not to participate, and therefore now people are coming back with these questions, which could have been answered by participating in the orientation
A course for course facilitators?
Lila: Low Expectations - If you set low expectations, that's what you get.
(Alison - good point!)
Numerical growth doesn't denote positive growth in terms of quality. We have more people participating but are courses getting better? Lila not sure that they are.
Should P2PU site be shown in beta? That way participants are aware that the site is undergoing improvemnts and facilitators aren't responsible (having to speak on behalf of) for the lack of functionality of the site.
Getting ahead of ourselves in trying to measure quality before we've really gotten there?
Is it safe to establish metrics if we have yet to establish high levels of equality?
--> Post course reflections surveys/rate this course
- what did you like best, suggestions to improve
auditing vs. participation (it's the followers idea again!)
should the allowance of followers be decided in a social contract?
- follower status allows comfort level from more passive/quiet learners
- but is this a social norm we want to allow in a peer 2 peer learning setting? (alison unsure)
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05 October 2010
Note: this meeting starts 1 hour later than normally scheduled!!
(9AM San Francisco, 17:00 London, 18:00 Cape Town, etc.)
Participants
Joe Corneli
Jane Park (without voice)
Josh Gay
Alison Jean Cole
Pippa Buchanan
Agenda
FutureEverything Proposal
- what needs to be repaired: http://pad.p2pu.org/FE2011FestProposal (comments requested)
- May, Manchester, UK; rapid deployment for education
- "Course Design Handbook" as a book?
- http://www.booki.cc/
- printouts need to be nicer
- MediaWiki -> nice printouts and books
- JOE: I'd like to run through my concerns about DIY Math and what I'm planning to do with them
NOTES:
Allowing hemisphere flexibility for meetings
@joe: can write up something about this. http://pad.p2pu.org/scheduling-community-calls
check whenisgood.com
- Introduce Josh better to the community
email coming in next few days
- Handbook: make wiki more printable
Switching to a new wiki
--> media wiki?, a new wiki must be open sourced
-Josh Gay: In terms of usability of MediaWiki it would be good to look into using the FCKEditor extension (A WYSIWYG Editor) as well as perhaps using Semantic MediaWiki which would allow us to have tools such as Semantic Forms for form based input (which are automatically generated from templates; and templates are generated via form as well). +1
- existing wiki install is PBwiki is not open :-(
- using Wikiversity itself?
- other options...
- Semantic MediaWiki -> extension of MediaWiki that enables linking, metadata, etc.
- http://pad.p2pu.org/thenewWiki
DIY Math Post-Mortem
-shortcomings point to p2p best practices
-set up course too open?
-participnts knew what they wanted to focus on, but didn't know "how" to start
- future course would need more support for the "how"
land management example...
context for discussion about best practices that may go to a level "above" the level of individual courses, design @ the level of institution/community and at the level of individual participants (apart from just the facilitator).
Setting expectations @ any level... intrinsic motivation is key.
Outcomes they will be responsible for (to each other): a list when they sign-up
"Yes I'm interested" ---how?--> "OK, I'm actually going to do the work"
-outside mentor to facilitate the social contract for the course (mentor/previous organizer)
- would make the p2pu structure itself have more of its own "social contract" (not just a contract at the course level) ... cf. some other grassroots organizing stuff
-- Book recommendation for building community, creating social contracts. "Building Community in Schools" by Thomas J Sergiovanni. And, "Two Bits" by Christopher Kelty.
Talk to Marisa more... risky courses into less risky? or maybe risky is OK...
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28 September 2010
Note: this meeting starts 1 hour later than normally scheduled!!
Participants
- Pippa Buchanan
- Alison Cole
- Miriam Corneli
Agenda
Orientation dates
Notes
Miriam called in and gave some feedback on her role as an organizer:
Would like to see topical/technology trainings on using tools during the orientation (i.e. a quick group training on how to use skype, tokbox, wiki)
- Quick, focussed workshops on these technologies would be incredibly useful for participants as well as facilitators. AND, would make Week One technical glitches much reduced.
- Maybe these workshops could run in the weeks between courses being open for registration and classes beginning.
January round
- orientation - more condensed
- from January 10th
- will reflect changes with the course proposal process
- fill in course details and then get community feedback / go-ahead
21 September 2010
Participants
Alison
Lila
Agenda
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Notes
Lila and Alison suffered a guitar solo epic before rejoining the call. They agreed to end the call after saying "Hello" and "I think we're alone".
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14 September 2010
Participants
- Alison
- John
- Philipp
- Niels
- Alex H.
- Stian
Agenda
- January course dates (Pippa)
- Suggested changes to the process based on experience in September round (Philipp)
- Barcelona priority discussion & development: http://wiki.p2pu.org/Workshop2010
- Creating space (literal community pages) for "schools" (SoW) & open study groups
Agenda
- Need someone to be "in charge" of these calls
- Send out reminders before call
- (and send follow-up email pointing people to the notes)
- Moderate the call (keep things moving along)
- Quick guidelines at the beginning of the call (take notes, etc.)
- friendly reminders
- Decision: Alison will play this role (yay!) happy to do so.
- Need to set dates for January round early so we can improve feeder process / development
- Can we set dates during this call now? Or need to take offline / email?
- End of January
- Decision: January 26 2011
- Give us more time to get more done - lots of changes from this round
- Need a few days after the vacation
- Sign up opens 5 January
- Question: what's the bigger plan 2011 / how many cycles, etc...
- Proposal: four cycles in 2011 (jan/apr/jul/oct)
- Proposal: functional changes to course development process
- Draft course owners are automatically added to new-courses
- When a webcraft course is created, an automatic email is sent to webcraft list
- Decision: Both good ideas. Should implement.
- Need to start talking about BCN
- Discussion would be facilitated on the community list
- Draft list of topics: http://wiki.p2pu.org/Workshop2010
- Make sure people don't feel left out if they can't attend
- Action: John to do another call to community to review the wiki
- Which topics are suitable ahead of the event? (Check on the wiki)
- Action: Alison to speak to Gunner (Philipp to intro) about the process / and check if there are topics that are good to cover by email
- Would be good if "schools" could have their own space on P2PU.
- Community space
- Especially for "schools" under development, who need to discuss ideas but they are not quite ready - more planning than building (yet)
- Possibility to pull people into the community / idea / plan and sign others up to the "cause"
- A space to gather a community
- Philipp: P2Phd
- Alison: Environment Design Master
- Stian says: Like this idea, and think it's crucial. We've talked about this in the past and should build something.
- John says: Let's add this to the tech sprint wiki page. Great example is Area51 (stack overflow). Could build something similar.
- Philipp says: Yes, fits perfect with tech sprint discussion yesterday. (see above). One idea is to build something that can act as a home for communities within P2PU (e.g. Webcraft) using Drumbeat code (Batacuda)
- Alison says: I want to start gathering a community for my masters idea (now). Is it ok to P2PU wiki?
:)+1
Notes in preparation for the call:
- Pippa: January Course Dates - it would be great to have these confirmed before the end of this round - it would be nice to start the call for course organisers while courses are still running.
- Pippa: Application Process - I'd suggest having participants add a draft course proposal on p2pu.org straight away - they can do their development within the site (get used to how it works) and potentially iron out bugs a lot earlier. All new course proposals should also have their owner added to p2pu-new-courses, and the list should also receive a notification. If they mark their course as Webcraft p2pu-webcraft gets notified and added to that list too.
- Alison: how to facilitate a discussion development about Barcelona priorities without digging too deep into the issue? how can we include community members who wont be attending beforehand in a meaningful way?
- Alison: creating spaces for the schools that exist and open study groups that are looking to grow (i.e. handmade masters - openPhD) with forums etc would be ideal - know there's some talk about this already