29th March 2012
Attendees (welcome to any newbies)
- Bekka
- Alan
- Lucy Burnett
- Zuzel
- John
- Alison
- jessykate
- Philipp
- Chloe
Standups
What have you been up to? Short written notes (we'll discuss only if there are questions)
- Alison
- Will be away Apr 4-11
- New courses & stats
- Outreach/ polishing old press pack
- Bekka
- berlin planning
- Contracting
- Insurance
- Budget management (Bekka learns to use a spreadsheet)
- Chloe
- How to Make a Challenge new video with voice from Niels http://vimeo.com/39413371 +audio is awesome fantastic - will add it to the blog ASAP
- Celebrity challenges series: Game Challenge http://p2pu.org/en/groups/keep-calm-and-start-playing/ (still working on it a bit)
- Celebrity challenges series: Genera assembly Challenge
- Badges, challenges etc hand over / project management
- Badge forms wireframes- thanks everyone for the feedback
- John
- Create page
- Chewing on P2PU as a lab idea
- terms
- mentorship
- Events
- Campus Party Berlin / August
- TNW Conf
- Philipp
- Working on overall P2PU strategy (the lab -> implications)
- Fundraising for School of Games and School of Data
- Contracts -> School of Social Innovation microgrant, staff
- Zuzel
- new trisfera challenge set to be ready after next release (pending: field to store the ordering index of the challenges in the challenge set)
- created first onboarding trello board which will be transformed into a template after its first run
- shared rewamp course newsletter stast with Ali
- Alan
- Ambassadors / Community Bridge brainstorming with Lucy / Dany
- Consulting brainstorming (possible contract with Sullivan Foundation to use as test case)
- Helping get a crew of SoSI folks together for Berlin
- Hub DC in SF, working on coalition building for the "Design for Social Innovation" masters-equivalent peer-learning group experience
- Jessykate
- finally started implementing one of the open science challenges from the etherpad
- its awesome - send to community list as it develops!
- working on my berlin app ;)
News of the week
Written notes on what's going on in our world (bring up special announcements on the call)
- Blog posts you wrote
- Articles you read
- Initiatives you heard about
- MentorMob (re "playlists" discussion)
Key updates
Super short updates about P2PU
- Exciting new courses to check out (Alison)
- 1/3 of all test courses are personal introductions & state "I want to learn.."
- Perhaps we need to think about ways of pointing people to the appropriate course if it exists?
- That's really interesting - it means that they are looking for a feature that we don't support and they "hack" the course
- Development priorities (Zuzel)
- State of the mustard (Philipp)
- March 1 - 29:
- Comments up by almost 50% but users/groups created/ users joining groups slightly down
- 4 groups with 100+ comments
- Writing and inquiry in the digital age = 184 comments (March) ~ 6 / day
- Most comments for courses created this month: Writing for the web - 40 comments - nice one, Vanessa!
Agenda
Core of the call. Focused on four types of conversations (invited guests, challenges you need help with, proposals you want feedback on, ideas you need collaborators for).
- P2PU Ambassadors / Outreach to local (existing) peer learning groups (guest: Lucy Burnett from Knowledge Commons DC) - http://pad.p2pu.org/p/community-bridge
- Alan made suggestions to the list as to things that we can do at the community level, to find out about free schools and the open learning community globally
- Discussions with Dany about the Ambassador programme and possible integration of these ideas
- DC organizing (May)
- Ideas / Details of possible project for Berlin?
- Ask: Is there something really effective that can be worked on during the time in Berlin?
- Ideas here:http://pad.p2pu.org/p/community-bridge
- Ali & John can add to the list with US-based projects
- Ali -> one thing that has come up with a lot of community learning groups is the inability to share curricula, because they all have their own platforms or websites, and it's hard to extract and share the material.
- People like P2PU because it makes it easier to clone courses and content.
- Alan -> Maybe one possibility is a way to figure out how to think about this as informing tech development
- and asking for feedback on the platform from these groups.
- All possibilities are considered - no idea too big! can we have a discusion typying on the pad
- would be great to think about what the longevity is of activities started. if we create a lot of momentum over the summer because there's lots of people working on it and then all go back to our lives, then it could be more harmful than good (this is something to think about for all the berlin projects! and one i've been thinking about for the open science content/community building too.)
- IMHO conferences is jumping the gun a bit. i like the focus on practical tools that will help people get involved, and conferences can reflect an existing community down the road?
- I think targeting a conference would be fine (rather than organizing one). Pick one that will give you a good audience. Good call.
- Berlin
- Anyone who wants to come should send an application so we know how many people are likely to come
- We'll try as much as possible to accomodate everyone
- We should update the blog post so that people who are planning to self fund or work with us for a few days only know to tell us their intentions - Happy to take care of this
- Yes, also remind the community list
- We can give a few more days for those who are not requesting funds (because we weren't totally clear on this)
- "We have an open door policy - anyone can come and work on P2PU!" - some people won't apply based on this
- Yes - it's just to make sure we have space. If 35 people show up and we don't have space it will be frustrating.
- Making Ali's Dreams Come True - How to manage test courses and introductions from new users.
- First part of Ali's Dream -> Almost realised! Yay! People's tests can be kept in draft in the new features that are being developed.
- Second Part of Ali's Dream: New users receive real welcome from real people: http://www.flickr.com/photos/johndbritton/4807965296/in/pool-1202415@N23/
- You get greeted by a pool of real people who say hi and help you and make you feel welcome
- Philipp -> Staff get notifications of all new courses created, so we could do this manually?
- Staff can get a list of the new user accounts created, we can welcome new users.
- New users might not scale, we get 60 new people per day... we need more people to welcome them P2P style
- It's a lot of work -> Either find a community of people who help with this, make it someone's "work responsibility" (won't scale)
- John -> can we make it an "op-in" - because this could be a lot of work, each email could become a conversation
- Would love to make this part of filling out the profile and set the social norms there
- "If you could learn anything, what would you learn?" -> leads to people welcoming you
- Or check if they created an avatar
- Good idea - create a small "barrier" to show that you are interested, then we get in touch
- Chloe -> agree with the concern around sustainability
- We have an ambassador programme, perhaps these people (or people who want to be ambassadors) can be part of the greeting community
- +1 ambassadors can be part of this +1+1
- +1 (this also helps with the language issue - ambassadors can be really useful in localising/translation)
- Sustainability - this can work at scale. couch surfing do this, they have millions of users, and new users get contacted by more than one person
- Mozilla Army of Awesome: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/army-of-awesome
- great layout, maybe one day we can incorporate this style into help.p2pu.org
- this is great, but they haven't figured out the sustainability issue yet (2.8% of tweets replied to)
- Also: idea > how about when you are a user more than a week in order to complete your profile you have to greet a new comer
- Wave badge kind of does that as well> http://p2pu.org/en/badges/wave/
- Alan -> strong attractors (information on user profiles) is a way of people finding each other and finding common interests.
- Ali -> seems as though we feel it's really important for users to find each other and be able to socialise with each other, rather than just turing to one person.
- Finding a way to build sociability into the platform is important, perhaps in the profile
- Philipp -> the goal is that the community needs to do this, but that means having to put stuff into the dev pipeline. It's a great idea - Is there a way of hacking this right now so we can start with the process?
- idea: create a page on the site that lists users that need to be greeted (simple) and let people send them messages (esentially this exists on the metrics page)
- p2pu/hello +1
- Encourage the community to go to this page and greet new users
- Hack: put form on this page for new users to (optionally) send an introduction email and photo to a dedicated "introduce yourself to the P2PU community" list (+1 good idea to help more people reach out to the community, not just the other way)
- Good idea - can we add some kind of feedback? - display the top three recent emails on that page? (think google groups supports scrapping)
- P2PU User Chat Roulette? hah ha!
- Alternative -> to create a group of new users/greeters, with notifications built in, but this is more complicated.
- Note: a list of new users, anywhere, is a public list of how many new accounts/users are coming to the site every week.
- we can limit this by only showing a few profiles on the page.
- maybe an improved version of the http://p2pu.org/en/people/ (which is no longer on our main navigation but has not go away completedly)
- Rewarding is beyond the scope of the simple solution. As soon as we start thinking
- worried that people who get greetings from P2PU peers will be scared off by this -> good point (simplicty means that we lose privacy control... ie only a select group of greeters)
- this of how many services you sign up for on the web. all of them send emails... want to "engage you" more. i like the sentiment here but not sure emails will achieve/improve true engagement?
- but different if it comes from a real person ("i'm a community member ... " not "i'm your customer relationship consultant")
- kind of, but if i was just exploring the p2pu site, then it might also freak me out and mean i feel more pressure to do something/follow through, and then just back off completely if i was on the fence/unsure? (not sure, just thinking) - we should give some good examples of style / content / set norms
- CERN
- in the fall CERN's center for citizen cyberscience (CCC) started putting challenge content on p2pu, and thought it was awesome :)
- CERN openlab - summer program for IT/CS
- p2pu and CCC putting some funding towards a summer student, jessy has applied :)
- idea would be to work on building a community and content around open science/citizen research, tying it specifically into some of the work that CCC is doing
- CCC and UNOSAT collaboration around ground truthing satellite data
- test4theory / LHC @Home - farming out particle physics simulation computations to citizens
- also would continue the more general open science challenges
- ties more broadly into jessy's phd research - spectrum of human involvement in science, human computation, etc.
- so part of this would be to work with people in berlin to develop and refine this content, get input, raise awareness, etc.
- ping jessy if you have ideas or questions or want to play on this
- Jessy - can you run 2-3 CCC challenges for April, to see how they fared and work on improvements and expanding curriculum in Berlin?
- that's a really cool idea. the only thing is that the content is not developed yet, and it's a lot of work - not just to develop good content but to manage the challenges
- hence my point above about sustainability, which is a concern for me. dan diebolt made this point too about challenges more broadly (sustainability/scalability)
- challenges kind of manage themselves. :-) thats why they're so awesome! <- that is a somewhat untested hypothesis so far (it works if you have access to sufficiently large and active user communities)
- yeah, IME it's a lot of regular little bits of work to encourage people, respond to questions, etc. i think vanessa would probably have some comments on this too.
- example: i'm stuck on task 3 of jessy's API twitter challenge ... and i need a kick to keep going <-- haha , exacly. people do the first few items and then just peter out.
- actually i think philipp is just lazy :p i think the challenge is a little boring ;-) oh snap haha - just kidding! i'm really liking it.
- jessy will explore some content that we can start creating and see what can be done
General discussion and questions