P2PU Community Call
7 February 2013
Seminar Discussion
Topic: What does success look like at P2PU?


Agenda
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Attendees

Report Back from Staff (written notes, with time for questions/brief discussion on call)


Seminar Discussion
"What Does Success Look Like at P2PU?"

In the non-profit world, the measures of success are different to those in the for-profit world. 
But non-profits can't fix the entire world. So how do we decide what our measures of success are?

We aim for: (What are the right high-level metrics/markers of success/ (no more than 3) for P2PU as an idea?)


these sound like organizational goals... at P2PU we: 1)  facilitate peer learning all over the world (impact); 2) create unique learning experiences from which we build and share new knowledge (learning/uniqueness/punk); 3) enable learners to create epiphanies and experience serendipity (magic)

Questions:

Funder/Project specific metrics

Examples - Let's apply them to past projects (groupwork):

Questions to ask:

Map out metrics for existing/ future projects



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Hi kevin - welcome
We'll get going in just a few minutes

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I need two monitors.  Can't watch the video and the etherpad at the same time.

me
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I know - it's a lot of hopping around!
Just a matter of protocol - could you mute your mic when not speaking ? We get a lot of background noise once everyone has joined!
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bonjour!

me
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VMG!

Vanessa Gennarelli
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C'est moi!

Kevin Cole
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Semi-solution: If someone "participates" from two computers and uses one to screenshare the etherpad window.
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I see EVERYBODY.
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(I believe Hangouts is supposed to auto-mute with multiple speakers.)
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Philipp Schmidt
16:03
9 people - cool!

Chris Ewald
16:03
almost the max

Vanessa Gennarelli
16:04
Living in mute

Leah MacVie
16:04
Me too!!

Philipp Schmidt
16:04
We should cats on youtube
be cats
silent

Vanessa Gennarelli
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word

Chris Ewald
16:04
let's hold up pictures

Vanessa Gennarelli
16:05
han
hand

Leah MacVie
16:05
Allucidate...?haha
Spell that!

Vanessa Gennarelli
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elucidate


Leah MacVie
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I'm using it in my next paper. I'll look so smart...like Vanessa!
YES LOVE LOVE LOVE the newsletter
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Vanessa Gennarelli
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googlehangout hates me

Philipp Schmidt
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hand

Vanessa Gennarelli
16:09
BOOYAH
is it?
hand

Dirk Uys
16:09
we need a P2PU map

Vanessa Gennarelli
16:09
OLIVER
thats superlative

Pieter Kleymeer
16:10
I'm scared the course will take over my life.
pro tip: don't use Google Docs for group organizing...

Kevin Cole
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I was one of those who got no automatic confirmation w/ invite code. Then I got TWO invitation codes.

Philipp Schmidt
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Hey Kevin - If you got two, it means you can participate twice.

Kevin Cole
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Vanessa Gennarelli
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lol

Jane Park
16:12
@piet - me too. i have yet to click on the join small groiup link

me
16:12
Wow. Dazzling.

Jane Park
16:12
is @p2pu bekka?

me
16:12
YUP!

Kevin Cole
16:13
Some of the response may be due simply to name recognition. "Creativity" and "inventor of Scratch" go together nicely.

me
16:13
Well, more than me. I just try not to fall over most days

Leah MacVie
16:15
haha- wake up P! Take notes!

Jane Park
16:16
i cant hear antyhing now

Kevin Cole
16:16
Alumni stories of success? "What interesting have you done as a result of course X?" "Have you passed the knowledge onto others?"

me
16:17
@Jane - can you hear anything now?
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Dirk Uys
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hey billy

Billy Meinke
16:21
hey guys, sry I'm late (traffic)

Philipp Schmidt
16:21
conversation?
are those three "right" for us?

Vanessa Gennarelli
16:22
disgree
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Leah MacVie
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OK I'm back- I was gone, but I don't think anyone noticed
Hi Billy!
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Jane Park
16:24
+1 vanessa

Leah MacVie
16:24
Poor Vanessa!

Jane Park
16:24
have some benchmarks to aim for

Billy Meinke
16:24
hey Leah 

Philipp Schmidt
16:24
We should be aiming to have reliable Internet at home?

Jane Park
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even if they're the wrong ones
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Jane Park
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cuz then we can reevaluate
and change them as we go along

Leah MacVie
16:25
Hi VMG!

Jane Park
16:25
success!

Billy Meinke
16:25
+1 on benchmarks

Leah MacVie
16:25
Planning=good

Chris Ewald
16:25
for me: these metrics are guiding principals that we will design for
*end up designing for

Jane Park
16:26
participants that dont fall into pit of attrition

Vanessa Gennarelli
16:26
exactly
id like to be able to say that peer learning can beat attrition

Philipp Schmidt
16:27
hand

Kevin Cole
16:28
I don't recall if I've asked, but do you partner with much smaller groups like: http://knowledgecommonsdc.org/

Jane Park
16:28
measures of success?

Chris Ewald
16:29
metrics feels qunatitative

Philipp Schmidt
16:29
jane had one already, i copied it into the etherpad

Jane Park
16:29
lets just use whatever the research community uses..

Billy Meinke
16:29
quantitative metrics can still show qualitative patterns

Jane Park
16:29
+1 billy

Leah MacVie
16:30
Can this be at the course/challenge level: Can it be as simple have having the 'course designers' 'transparently' state their goals for the course?

Chris Ewald
16:30
qualities?

Philipp Schmidt
16:30
+1 there is a sometimes arbitrary rift between quant and qualitative work

Leah MacVie
16:30
as* having- my bad

Jane Park
16:31
oh i like indicators

Vanessa Gennarelli
16:31
me too
+1

Chris Ewald
16:32
I think so - and proxy measures is interesting too

Billy Meinke
16:32
and if goals/benchmarks are not met or are met in a different way, that'll guide the next set or group of things that are measured

Jane Park
16:32
proxy anything

Philipp Schmidt
16:33
we can definitely "describe" them

Chris Ewald
16:33
so what woud an indicator and what would a proxy be?

Leah MacVie
16:35
As a tangent: I think there are also certain 'traits' P2PU wants in each course. I developed this 'online course review toolkit' for my instructors: http://www.olc.canisiuscampus.net/workshops/teaching-online/online-course-review-tool/ Something like this might help P2PU 'course designers' develop quality courses that meet certain course goals...must must be flexible enough for individuals to set their own. (Course goals, course objectives vs program goals/program objectives)

Chris Ewald
16:35
it does

Philipp Schmidt
16:35
hand

Chris Ewald
16:37
ok

Pieter Kleymeer
16:38
an example from the project I worked on: http://gorgevitalsigns.org/Reports/VSI_SOG_Scenic2009.pdf

Billy Meinke
16:38
ah, thx for the link Piet, was going to ask for that

Pieter Kleymeer
16:39
all part of this: http://gorgevitalsigns.org/
thanks - it's been a while so I'll let the links/docs speak for themselves unless folks have more questions.

Kevin Cole
16:40
BTW, I think the chat may "go away" when we close. (IIRC, Hangout chats are "off-record".)
Given the number of links flying by, as well as other comments, we should capture the contents BEFORE we sign off.

Billy Meinke
16:40
+1 Kevin

me
16:40
@KEvin - absolutely. I'll make sure it all gets copied and added to the notes.

Jane Park
16:41
i added a couple links under examples in the pad

Vanessa Gennarelli
16:43
LOL

Billy Meinke
16:43
doesn't sound simple 

Jane Park
16:43
also it is disingenuous at times
like you have to write something for your funder

Philipp Schmidt
16:43
yes!

Leah MacVie
16:43
Oooh- yeah, Jane**

Philipp Schmidt
16:44
with good funders there is usually some level of adjustability
if they understand why you're making changes
but that also is work

Vanessa Gennarelli
16:44
maybe its this flu
but im a little fuzzy as to how
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Billy Meinke
16:45
this is sad

Jane Park
16:45
vanessa
i think its your connection
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Leah MacVie
16:45
Can we all pitch together $5 to buy the poor girl a reliable Internet connection!

Jane Park
16:46
you had the same issues with collaborate!
uhuh
its always the tool 

Leah MacVie
16:46
No! No! It is awful!!

Billy Meinke
16:46
you're being singled out by the Google

Kevin Cole
16:47
+Vanessa mayhaps browser or OS issues? (I'm on Linux and Google Chrome, FWIW.)

Vanessa Gennarelli
16:47
it works until i stop talking!
must be the magic
got it
OK thats clear philipp

Billy Meinke
16:47
being "open" is core
+1 P

me
16:53
Kevin: how awesome is your profile pic right now... this will broadcast beautifully!
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Kevin Cole
16:53
I raise again the idea of accessibility / diversity. Not to beat the drum too hard, but to keep it on the radar. How do you reach "marginalized" learners?

Vanessa Gennarelli
16:54
word
i think translation and captions s/b part of that conversation

Billy Meinke
16:55
Gotta run to a CC meeting, will keep the pad open. Talk soon, thx guys.

me
16:55
That's an excellent question. I guess it depends on what kind of things are marginalising them. Are they tech issues (low bandwidth in the developing world for example) or are they usability issues, like having alternative access points like captions

Kevin Cole
16:55
Consider also "low bandwidth" users.
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Kevin Cole
16:56
+P2PU two minds w/ but a single thought. 
(I was considering both, but not with any fantastic solutions.)
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me
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Hi Erika!

Erika Pogorelc
16:57
Hi

Dirk Uys
16:58
Hi Erika!

Erika Pogorelc
16:58
Sorry I am really late
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Erika Pogorelc
16:58
been at work

Jane Park
16:58
i have to run to a meeting as well
bye!

Dirk Uys
16:58
Bye Jane

Vanessa Gennarelli
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Vanessa dances

Chris Ewald
16:58
welcome Erika!

Vanessa Gennarelli
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But I cant talk because googlehangout will kick me out!

Jane Park
16:59
welcome erika!

me
16:59
we can hear you!

Jane Park
16:59
i look forward to work with you, esp around School of Open badges/development.. 

Chris Ewald
16:59
we did nothing in the past years...it's fine

me
16:59
Yes, you can watch the video on you YouTube soon!

Philipp Schmidt
17:00
Audio is bad for me ... (can't really hear Erika)

Jane Park
17:00
ok i really gotta run... bye!
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Philipp Schmidt
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bye Jane!

Kevin Cole
17:01
+Philipp, me too. Erika's audio present but poor quality -- very echoic.

Chris Ewald
17:01
sounds good

Leah MacVie
17:02
woohoo!

Vanessa Gennarelli
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yaytime!

Chris Ewald
17:02
great 

Leah MacVie
17:02
Thank you! Great hour!

Vanessa Gennarelli
17:02
WELCOME ERIKA

Pieter Kleymeer
17:02
thanks kids
g'bye

Leah MacVie
17:02
Good day! bye!
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Chris Ewald
17:02
thanks bye all!