School of Webcraft meeting pad

School of Webcraft community call now shares the same time and call in information as the P2PU Community Call. 

Please visit http://pad.p2pu.org/community for more information


Where necessary we'll convene Webcraft specific calls and continue to use this pad for keeping those notes.




Erin and Pippa - 







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THURSDAY 3rd January 2011===================

THURSDAY 27th January 2011=================

Attendees:
Jessica Ledbetter (Virginia)
Pippa Buchanan (Adelaide, Australia)
Dan Diebolt (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
Erin Knight (Oaktown, CA)
Andy Lindeman (Huntsville, Alabama USA)

Notes
Probably on current platform in April -- if some courses willing to test it then maybe
Perhaps review process for April courses (need volunteers from the community)
does co-facilitation help future organisers?
JL - sandbox experience with admin features of course organisation
Andy - sharing learning process
[task] Is there a dev server that course orgs can practice in? +1000000
- exporting course design / importing between servers?
- make playing with website part of orientation - setup a course, apply to courses, review sign-ups etc
[task] plans for documenting backend and user end of new site?
BigBlueButton+1+1

Erin - badges and assessment
[task] pippa to look at erin's spreadsheet
Feb 21st - release the hounds (with bees in their mouths) / release assessments
in separate OSQA setup for pilot testing purposes
course orgs to direct their participants to assessments
peer assessments, votes from OSQA setup
badges exported to P2PU profile
community badges - adding recommendations in the profiles eg. teammate, communicator
OSQA developer back, alternative developers
working with absolutely, absolutely must-haves
AWESOME!

Course Wishlist 
Front End 
Semantics
Database

Course Ideas - fleshout the portfolio of what school of webcraft offers
need to move into the design arena - layouts, wireframes, color, font, etc
course in CSS, frameworks Mootools, YUI, jQuery UI, etc
mysql, other database
node.js - if you can find someone to organize it and have a way to share code (heroku has such a service but they were bought by salesforce)
    Nodester [ http://nodester.com/ ] is an option (beta and free currently .. hopefully a free tier will remain?)
    Andy Lindeman would potentially really like to help with this :)
website optimization
standards compliance
HTML5 - lots of subtopics for several 6 week courses

make sure that the really voted up suggestions happen? (course recommendation thing)
 (ideal use of osqa/uservoice tool) - http://p2pu.uservoice.com/forums/84091-course
  Yep, that's the thing!
  different levels -suggestions
take X and get X badge

[task] connect with below about defining experience levels
MDN - course surveying 
OWEA - 

projects - 
at the end of 6 weeks what is your outcome / project?
[task] frame question to community

what is a good learning outcome ? how to identify within the projects that act as goals?

Facilitator Hopeful Experience/Outcome
Professional training? Learning more about topic that facilitating? Tshirt? Certificate? References? (We are going to get some recommendations for the badges.) 
Reward ideas.
Maybe at the end of the course: survey if put facilitator experience on CV

JavaScript Course designs - http://pad.p2pu.org/webcraftJavaScriptCourseDesigns

Trying Big Blue Button as meeting environment?

THURSDAY 13 January 2011 ======= WEBCRAFT ORGANISERS ORIENTATION ====
Topics:

Attendees:
Erin Knight (Berkeley, CA!)
Andy Lindeman (Huntsville, Alabama USA)
Jessica Ledbetter (Virginia)
Matt Buscemi (Honolulu, HI)
Nate Gandomi (Berkeley, CA - sitting right next to Erin!)
Pippa Buchanan (currently in Sydney)
Naty Caamal (Miami, Fl)
Matt Thompson, (Mozilla Drumbeat)
Dan Diebolt (Ann Arbor Michigan)
Marielle Volz (Ann Arbor Michigan)
Shane Tomlinson(London)

Notes:
Pippa: Most of what I'm covering is in this document: http://wiki.p2pu.org/w/page/34243004/Designing-a-Course-for-School-of-Webcraft
Please take rough notes though, particularly around questions so I can update the document where fit.
Erin:  I'll be covering the assessment and badge pilot, pulling from here: http://wiki.p2pu.org/w/page/34853186/Webcraft-Assessment

School of Webcraft: partnership between P2PU and Mozilla to provide peer learning opportunities for web development

Running a course:
We have a running, working list of open resources and course models for Web development technologies - please refer to them, great resources for where they fit




Questions:



Thursday 7 January 2011 =================================
People in Call
Andy Lindeman
Dan Diebolt
Ozzie
Pippa
Matt Thompson
Shane
Tina
Hasan




Agenda

How do we provide awesome customer service for the January semester?

1) Finalize School of Webcraft January course list

2) Help course leaders get ready for Jan 26










FEEDBACK / SUGGESTIONS FOR APRIL SEMESTER: 
course orientation should happen BEFORE course design takes place.

Questions to add to School of Webcraft FAQ
Existing FAQ: http://p2pu.org/webcraft/school-webcraft-frequently-asked-questions

Thursday 30 December 2010 =================================

Attendees
Matt, Mozilla


Agenda

Attendees
Pippa (Berlin, Australian, but currently in Dunedin, NZ)
Erin
Matt Buscemi (Hawaii)
Alison Cole
Andy Lindeman
Dan Diebolt (Ann Arbor Michigan)


COURSES


Thursday 23 December 2010 ==============================


Attendees
Charlie LA
Dan Diebolt
Dipankar?
Pippa (Australia)
Bill O'Connor (NYC)
    GTK developer, keeping eye on moving target
    HTML5 for Gnome

NOTES

Tuesday 21 December 2010==============================

Agenda


ACTIONS




Notes from Philipp:

== OSQA / Assessment ==

* We are planning to use OSQA to prototype Erin's assessment models (and expose badges). To that end, we are looking for a python/django resource urgently and would appreciate help finding someone. 
** I had hoped to make more progress working with Josh on this, but he ended up looking at other things related to badges. Unfortunately that means we have to find someone who can get started fast (ideally with OSQA experience).
** I am happy to fund short-term (Jan/Feb) or could grow into lead developer position.
** Is there a possibility to get some of Brian's time in January to put into this? It would be focused on the producer/issuer piece of the infrastructure work. We'd use OpenID + OSQA to expose badges from P2PU OSQA server.

== What to do with the Mashable Masses ==

* I like Geoff's idea of running 101 entry courses that qualify you for 201 - and we could apply that to HTML5
* Other ways to leverage the huge influx of people




16 December 2010 ==============================
Agenda

Present
Andy Lindeman (first time caller, mailing list member)
Erin 
Matt Thompson, Mozilla
Pippa
Ben Moskowitz
Tina Arnoldi (first time caller)
Dan

Notes
call for courses

COURSES

FAQs
draft: links above
putting Tina on the spot :) - what is the time commitment for course facilitators? (check!)
do people understand organizing - do they expect to get something tangible (money, etc)?
do people feel like they need to be an expert?
what are people's motivations for running a course? self-learners/DIY supporters, experience, passionate about course topics (<---good for messaging!)
would be great to get more questions - to understand people's impressions and questions about SoW
where should the FAQs live? drumbeat page (can refer to it from P2PU)

Badges and Assessment
rundown: as of now in SoW and P2PU there is no assessment 
    no credits, no grades, little feedback
People are taking courses just to learn
participants need a way to signal this to the outside world
if i do a course, how can i present this on a CV? 
this is not just a problem in P2PU but everywhere in non-formal learning

Our solution to this is badges: badges capture people's experience and guide them down a learning path
Mozilla Badge Backpack: ways of collecting and displaying badges like a boyscout shirt 

SoW is creating assessments linked to badges

This is a challenge!
P2PU is an experiment
pilot of assessments for January round
- Erin and Pippa working with the community to identify what badges they'd like
currently focusing on JavaScript Expert and Accessibility
- will call on course organisers to develop badges specific to their courses
- peer given badges
- automatic community behaviour badges (eg Question Asker)

What is a JavaScript Expert?
we put this out to the community and received approval (1 email)
challenge
rubric based on expert skills
rubric can be compared to an existing project or developers can work on a specific assessment badge
peers to approve

JavaScript Basic Badge
- peer assessed,
- open ended JavaScript challenges
- light weight JS exercises
    if you can get this to run without bugs you've been successful
    
Accessibility
- values and attitudes
- personal reflection , blog post, video etc
- we have accessibility evangelists
    we'll give known experts a badge and they can then pass the badge onto community members who have this attitude
    
General Badges that can be shared 

Tina:
learn wordpress beyond a blog
understanding templates
basic PHP within courses
Q. Are organisers going to receive badges?
Good crossovers with an alternative conversation on P2PU - they have most likely developed a lot of skills that would be good on a CV

badges for successful completion of courses
should achievements have points?  accumulate points values - see in aggregate (maybe for post pilot build)
    motivation
    could introduce a negative dynamic
    but something to think about once we get more badges across levels
give course organizers a badge for running a course
people are super excited about badges - might motivate them to run courses
    
    
    
09 December 2010

Agenda


SoW Communications Roadmap
Are potential contributors finding it difficult to learn about SoW?
What are the jury rigging things we can do now?
Deciding what the primary location is?
Bespoke site that is custom made for SoW (other Drumbeat projects to have same focus)
Main use cases:
what is the project
how can i get involved > Learn More
running a course > Run a Course
participating in a course > Join a Course

[TASK - Update existing content on Drumbeat]

[TASK  - Matt and Pippa to work on Copy]

Story focus - Drumbeat.org
Learning focus - P2PU.org
How seamless can the transition between these pages?
How do we communicate that there is a transition and why?

January Call for Courses

Specific Course Ideas

* Outreach to specific people / communities
** course leaders from last semester? 

Important dates
Registration opens Jan 8
Courses Jan 26 (join webcraft mailing list)

Finding a new blogging location for School of Webcraft
http://learninglearning.wordpress.com/
- using the tag "p2pu-webcraft"
- choose between "mozilla" "drumbeat" "P2PU" "webcraft"
- use School of Webcraft as default naming convention
[Pippa email ATOM feed links for different planet - cc Matt and Paul Osman, Stian for webcraft]
- more images in blog


Fundraising around server?
Donate to School of Webcraft link:
https://donate.mozilla.org/page/contribute/webcraft
- blog post [Pippa: before Monday]



This Week: 24 November 2010
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Call Focus: First Round of Assessments: JavaScript and Accessiblity

Please add notes and links even if you can't make the call.


David Bruant
* What are the fundamental things about JavaScript that you wish you'd known when you first started as a developer?
=>  I think that JS is a sum of a lot of technologies and that web dev should very early be aware of the differences between them:
1) ECMAScript : That's the core language JavaScript is based on. That's "just a language".
2) The document object inherits form a lot of different interfaces:
* Node ( http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/core.html#ID-1950641247  ) which is "just here" for the tree structure (ok, well, a bit more). This interface is common with Elements and contains parentNode, cloneNode...
* Document ( http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/core.html#i-Document  ) which contains .createElement, .getElementById. This interface is the one used by the .responseXML attribute of XHR. This is common with XML-based documents.
* HTMLDocument ( http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-HTML/html.html#ID-26809268  ). It adds a bunch of HTML-specific things like .body, .links or the .write method (which should be avoided, but that's another story)
* HTML5 redefines the HTMLDocument interface : http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/dom.html#documents-in-the-dom and add for instance .getElementsByClassName()
* Note :  I think that understanding that all methods of the document object come  from different places helps understanding better the DOM.
3) Events
A lot is captured in this picture : http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#event-flow
Besides  that, the event programming paradigm is not easy to understand. Unlike "C programming" where you have a "main" and a "return" at the end, JavaScript isn't continuously executed. There is a bit of execution at the beginning for initialization purposes and after that it's all user (click/keypress) or network (XHR events) or clock (settimeout) driven which could be all summurized as "events" (even if the clock "events" aren't DOM events)
Providing a function as an argument of another function is somthing that isn't easy to understand. And very quickly arise closures.

I think that understanding all of these elements, the importance of each and the differences between them is fundamental.

NOTES FROM PIPPA/ERIN CALL (25 November)
Javascript
Challenge idea:
Could have a rubric with things that the 'artifact' should include
Peers could review based on the rubric and score? thumbs up?
Challenge or project is not strictly defined, more room for individual flair or personal touch, then assessed against the rubric
Commenting will be key, maybe even something as a line item in the rubric, but also to identify the elements of the assessment

Coding standards for js - already working on these for the community
Build those into the assessment
Encourage good practice around coding - when you check in code, someone will do peer review of the code anyway (if don't meet, won't get accepted in the project)
Help legitimate and motivate assessments

community to define what beginner, intermediate, advanced, expert
descriptions might help up frame the badges moving forward
useful for the new courses list - help them describe the level

Accessibility
haven't heard much about this
identifying what is the user, who are the different parts of usability - who are the users
not just about blind or deaf, but reading issues, localizations issues, slow download speeds
designing a user profile - someone with accessibility problems
tap into resources - people ran an accessibility course in P2PU
what does leveling up look like in this environment
could have them find a website that has bad accessibility - but want more than just identification, want to find people that have built it into the standards. 
Chris Harmon - will be at Mozilla 

Gradebook
Nils from the assessment workshop
link various things back to the gradebook - submit artifacts from across the web to be assessed
Backpack sort of accomplishes this, since we have the badges that then link out to the artifacts
How would people submit artifacts to be assessed?
Something to ask Josh about it

Working Session
Get in a room together at some point
Maybe second quarter in UK - Webcraft working session
Can we find some other time to get together - maybe to plan for second round of courses?
P2PU working session in NY




NOTE! - November 11's call will be an hour later: 12AM Eastern, 9AM Pacific, 18.00 Central European Time, 17.00 Greenwich Mean Time.
11 November 2010
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Agenda


04 November 2010
Drumbeat Festival in Barcelona

28 October 2010
at P2PU Workshop in Barcelona:


21 October 2010
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Agenda

Participants
Mattzilla (Toronto)
Danzilla (Ann Arbor,, Michigan)
Janet (Austin)
Pippa (Berlin)

Notes

Drumbeat Fest
WEbcraft Toolshed: 
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Drumbeat/events/Festival/program/activities#Webcraft_toolshed

Handbook
* Good to loop End of Course evaluations into this process
* e.g., to feed into an F.A.Q. What was confusing? What questions did you have before the course began? 

FAQ:

lightweight ways to update the landing page
priority - introtext (on mockup files)
questions
what can we change - what is P2PU specific
http://tracker.p2pu.org/
Updating P2PU Webcraft landing page:
1) Main nav
2) Intro text
3) Courses / community / Contact us
4) "About Us" links
5) News: possible to pull from Planet Webcraft?
6) Recent courses. 

Next Week's Agenda?

- wanted for festival 
    remind Matt and Pippa of what they should send and pack.
    
Actions / Waiting On
Matt T to be notified about suggest a course form (PB)

=========================== 14 October 2010 ========================
Agenda



Participants

Links
Webcraft Goals- http://etherpad.mozilla.com:9000/toolshedgoals
Sticker files - https://wiki.mozilla.org/Drumbeat/p2pu/publicity/stickerfiles
Webcraft Charter - http://etherpad.mozilla.org:9000/webcraftcharterdraft (updated)

Notes
- January goals
    look at course metrics
    
    course goals
        Basic web publication, html, css basic and advanced
        use this as base for blogpost and one pager doc
        


            Philipp to provide link to survey account
            sound bite / testimonial
            
            MArk: question- who registered v. who completed
                branching "did you complete all 6 weeks" 

Things to Discuss Next Call (21 October 2010)


=========================== 07 October 2010 ========================
Agenda
1. How are your courses going?
2. Maria - looking at Webcraft as model for collection of Mathematics Education
2b. Dan Diebolt - Unsure of relationship of P2PU to Drumbeat Festival
3. Webcraft Charter
http://etherpad.mozilla.org:9000/webcraft-charter (old version)
http://etherpad.mozilla.org:9000/webcraftcharterdraft (updated)
4. Questions?


Participants 

3. Webcraft Charter
Maria interested in using the charter as a model for the School of Community and Family Mathematics Education
Dan to read, Heather to read too
Link: (above)

4. Student facing information kit
What is P2PU Kit: Slide deck, graphics, elevator pitch for P2PU teachers, sign up / course forms with info on back.

Example introduction to a course: 
See screencast from 6:30 (what to expect) and from 8:05 (talking about P2PU) and 10:36 (heirarchical map)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub7XFT-rsRQ
With 'what is p2pu & school of webcraft'? How is Mozilla supporting this?

etc Centralised set of obligations and community goals
the social contract will be available (eventually)

5. http://www.naturalmath.com/multplanet/index.php 
Family example, has a lot of "about" stuff, which I can share for "social agreements"
thanks :-)

6. Task descriptions by rubrics/grids/taxonomies http://ed526b.wikispaces.com/Objectives+grid

=========================== 30 September 2010 ========================
Agenda
1. How are your courses going?
2. Call for courses beginning January 2011
    do we want to ask for specific types of courses?
    how do we do that?
3. Webcraft Assessment 
    First technical challenge is HTML 
    What should the next challenge be? CSS?
4. Webcraft Toolshed in Barcelona
    how can we present the course stories in Barcelona?
    Do we need more School of Webcraft content?

Participants 


1. How are your courses going?
Dan: Allied Media Conference (heard Nathaniel speak)
2 months - when does registration start - unclear from the websites (sorry!)
negative experience until the courses started - communication tools mixed up
consolidate on one place "which tools, which dates, which resources"
courses don't start immediately and gives confusion

still convinced that online learning is part of the future and wants to help improve the site / system.
once in a career, people just want to learnn topics that will help them improve
in Web 200 and HTML5 - being shaped by the peers
happy with pace, content and diversity of backgrounds and skill levels
the questions shape the learning points.
    
2. Courses for next round
HTML5 needs to run again, may have other sub topics
html, css, xhmtl , xml, xslt, CMS (drupal, joomla, wordpress -basics and writing extensions), using the cloud, web databases, non-SQL db, couchDB, node.js (javascript server)
oddball: firefox extensions, screenscraping (learn web security through basic scripting)

dan: volunteering to run a course on jQuery - would like a co-host



3. Webcraft Assessment 
what next html , css
javascript 

how do we enable project based learning?
which will end up as the (absolute, simplest) way to collaborate on project pages together.

editme.com
jottit.com

http://etherpad.mozilla.org:9000/P2PUWD101wk1
http://htmlpad.org/P2PUWD101wk1

=========================== 09 September 2010 ========================
Agenda
1. Mailing Lists
2. Course enrolments - now what?
2a. Entry Evaluation
2b. Early enrollment metrics /  testimonials for blog post [Matt]
**Looking for a) total number of applicants b) nice quotes we can use from applications
4. California
5. Webcraft Toolshed
6. Planet Webcraft
** What's the process for adding feeds?
** Who's missing that should be added (e.g., Mark Surman, Matt, others on the call?)
** Encouraging course participants to add their feeds
** Will add Planet Webcraft feed to Drumbeat Project page (Matt)
7. Tweets (#p2pu #mozilla #drumbeat)
8. Heather's news! (heather james - drupal education)

Notes
2. Now What - contact every person, let them know if they are in or not
- be clear
- explain why they are in or not
- let them know when the first class is on
- use http://whenisgood.net
- expect half to not turn up for the first day
- social contract 

Metrics / Testimonials
Blog post stating number of applicants
Application letters: do they have good feedback
Matt can help
a) pull the total numbers?
inviting participants to share their blogs (how)

Ari: no of people applied - applied for other courses
John: be clear of time commitment
Ari: wide spectrum of experience with code (total beginners or just new to processing.js)
what to do?
some are also in the processing community
developing games whatever their ability
one hour call for everyone, smaller groups dotted throughout the week
john: a lot of work to balance skills levels
ari: 50 people as intake - not expecting them all to make it the full 6 weeks.
john: be clear of what you need before the first meeting
find out how many will turn up using WhenIsGood - use these numbers to choose whether it's a call or video.
john: those who made the second call stayed the full 6 weeks
give them something to do in advance
1 minute report back, 2 minute report back
conference call: freeconferencecall.com , skype has limits

Matt? Could we use the Mozilla line?

California
dates / times - 

Webcraft Toolshed
John: course showcase
short tutorials - jquery (+1 from me)
p2pu dev sprint - showing off, getting people involved

Planet WEbcraft
** What's the process for adding feeds?
email to mailing list / p2pu-dev
can we automate this or at least have a form for adding feeds?


** Who's missing that should be added (e.g., Mark Surman, Matt, others on the call?)
** Encouraging course participants to add their feeds
** Will add Planet Webcraft feed to Drumbeat Project page (Matt)

Heather James
DEveloping WElcome wagon for Drupal
- coding, OER resources for drupal, next round 
- pilot course - should we run the course (30 applicants) within P2PU or another environment
- should be self study course with people documenting their progress
- initially 6 week pilot course and more public from November (for anyone to use these resources)


=========================== 02 September 2010 ========================

Agenda items  
1. Course applications so far [Pippa] 
2. Webcraft Toolshed at Drumbeat Festival [Pippa, John] 
3. Webcraft (and P2PU) Forum environment [Pippa] 
4. Equbay's Project Management course [Pippa] 
5. W3C [Mark]

Agenda links 

Who's on the call 
Notes 

Pippa: reviewing agenda on https://wiki.mozilla.org/Drumbeat/p2pu/weekly_call/02_September_2010#Agenda_items

Course applications so far [Pippa] 

We have a lot of exciting things you can look at spreadsheet (above). Everyone who is adding a course is being added to Web Dev 101, which is a bug? We will see how  many actually want to take the course on the 15th. 

Mark  asks, can you remind us all, what are the targets we want to achieve? How hard should we push? 

Pippa: On average we are looking at about 12 people per course. Some people are already oversubscribed such as the Drupal web applicaton that Nicholas is running do not have as many subscribers as we'd like. How can we improve the course description to encourage more people to sign-up? 

Pippa: Our goal is to have about 200 people involved. 

Q: Should we stop  if we reach our goal when we get to 12? 

Pippa: no, we should continue to encourage people to sign-up. If we get 30 or 40 people to sign-up then we are likely to get some core group of extremely motivated students that is smaller (closer to 10 to 15). 

Pippa: Encouraged a lot of people to sign-up for her course and set-up a community forum to make up for the fact that we do not have one built into p2pu. Is encouraging people to start discussing with people who have already signed-up. 

Pippa question: Do we have any other web-tech problems? If you do find a problem while using P2PU website, then you should file a bug in our bugtracker http://tracker.p2pu.org/

Ari: We had one question. Two of us are leading our course. Is it possible or not to have two people be marked as instructors for a course? 

Pippa: Not sure. Put it in as a request on the tracker a sa request and send an email to http://groups.google.com/group/p2pu-dev  (http://groups.google.com/group/p2pu-dev). 

Ahrash: Not so minor really - I think we should absolutely encourage collaborative co-facilitation of courses and make that obvious.

Webcraft Toolshed at Drumbeat Festival [Pippa, John] 

Pippa: There is a space for the "webcraft toolshed" at the Drumbeat Festival (http://www.drumbeat.org/drumbeat_festival_2010). How can we use this space? 

Ideas on how to use the webcraft toolshed at the Drumbeat Festival  and what the Festival is about: 
Mark: flagship stream

Ari: We've had 8 or so people who have expressed interest for the course and the majority of them are interested in taking it so they can learn to teach the course. Teachers are interested in learning how to build things for their classrooms; teaching students how to make games. 

Pippa: P2PU has such an education audience, it is an education experiment, and so we draw teachers into the conversation ... as well as others such as copyright people and there is a little "preaching to the choir" in that sense. 

Webcraft (and P2PU) Forum environment [Pippa] 

Specify time at assessment workshop to discuss these requirements? good P2PU, tech and Webcraft mix.

Ahrash: There has been some confusion on what we want from a discussion thread. What is the scope? Is it course driven? Is it global to the site? How do we want to use it? Where does the demand lie and how do we want to best meet that demand? 

Agenda Item: Equbay's Project Management course 
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Drumbeat/p2pu/courses/projectmanprinc

Pippa: Concerns that this course relies upon copyrighted materials.  Does a) this project management focus relate to webcraft, b) do the copyright restrictiions jive with p2pu? 

Equbay: The videos are open and the methodology is universal to any kind of project management. 

Mark: The scope of school of webcraft that we are going to promote is about teaching standards based web development. On that basis that this project management topic is a "friendly cousin", it would be an awesome course on its own right, but I'm not sure it passes the test that it relates to "standards based web development."

Mark: is the core material of this course locked down in anyway? Are there trademark restrictions? 

Equbay: One interest in this course is to give people an open learning platform for learning this material and not a replacement to provide people a replacement for getting PMI Certification?  It would be a complementary course. But, might  it be a gateway to certification? 

Pippa: We should open this up to the community on the P2PU mailing list. We should bring more people versed in copyright into the conversation. 

Mark: Is it possible that P2PU could have assessement that would lead to some form of certification? is there a legal reason we could not certify something? 

Equbay: I agree with Pippa, we should move this over to a community discussion and perhaps wait until January before going with the course. 


W3C
Pippa: Starting off, I am using some of the WaSP curriculum for my course as a bit of experience. The WaSP curriculum has a wonderful core curriculum and core set of competencies. How do we map their syllaubus onto other, more focused courses (e.g., Python Programming). How can we get these more focused courses take on one ore more of the specific core competencies covered by the WaSP curriculum. 

Mark: We need to make it easy for people to have more "uhuh!" moments in terms of who they can collaborate with. We need to find practical, simple ways to make it easy for people to start working together. 

Ahrash: One of the ways people try to take a list of competencies and  [put them into a learning environment?] is to go ahead and create a fully formed curriculum. One of the problems with this is that often it is hard to get someone to take an entire curriculum and teach it as a course. What excites OWEA about P2PU is that instead of having to take their competencies "wholesale", it would be possible that the core competencies could be mapped to various courses and for their to be an alternative way for people to comprehensively "work through a curriculum". 

maybe it's like this?

Step One: I want to be a WEb Developer
vvvvvvv (lots of different ways)  vvvvvv
Step Three: Certification! (W3C / Mozilla)

Josh: Suggested that we map competencies to badges. 

Pippa: A university focused curriculum might provide a set clear pathway to achieving a degree. But, perhaps what we are offering is an alternative to this more rigid pathway that allows people to choose "mini-pathways" that would allow them be motivated by a "learning on demand" model. 

[TO Discuss] charter, certification, testing ground, OWEA, W3C, curriculum v. learning on demand


=========================== 26 August 2010 ==========================

Agenda Items:


Agenda links  

Who's on the call 

"Launching" and promoting the September semester


Welcome Josh - 


September courses
Promotion
drumbeat festival - focus
registration open - Drumbeat will do a post on Planet Mozilla - Monday 
Splash feature on front page of Drumbeat.org

Followers 
- need the drupal hackers
- higher priority technology fixes

First push - P2PU general push
2nd push on Monday - Webcraft focus / drumbeat / blogs

turn disappointment into action
2nd blog post by Pippa - "this is beta / pilot" is there something missing - let us know.

WEbcraft Toolshed
* extending the P2PU hacking into the Drumbeat Festival
* inviting the public to add ideas.
* extending the skills map - open document - whiteboard
* brainstorming session


Drumbeat Festival
video stream of the festival?
open meetings
many streaming people in barcelona
Josh asked about if we thought about doing some sort of webcast or running an open meeting. He spoke with George Chriss about this idea who is starting a new company called OpenVideo.pro and who also works on the OpenMeetings.org project. He said that since he is a professional it might not be worthwhile in hiring him to do it, since we'd have to fly him out and pay him, etc. But, we might consider contacting the people who are part of the Flumotion project. Josh will attempt follow-up with Flumotion people as well as connect with (Pippa, who should Josh connect with?)

=========================== 12 August 2010 ==========================

Agenda Items:

Who's on the call 

"Launching" and promoting the September semester [Matt]

Messaging:

Next step:

SXSW



=========================== 5 August 2010 ==========================

Agenda items  

Events heads up:

Who's on the call 

Notes 

Discussions

Webcraft appearance in P2PU.org - how to differentiate [Pippa] 

School of Webcraft title

Technical Planning

Assessment technical implementation [Ahrash]

What is success in September [Pippa]

January 2011